dmb:
In a certain sense, perception entails conception.
DM to dmb:
Yes in a certain sense I agree, but obviously in the full and normal
sense,conception is formal, abstract and based in language, so has
nothing to do with pre-conceptual percepts,
Andre:
Hugh? What strange twist of argument. Aren't 'percepts' an abstraction,
a way of conceptualizing? There is no such thing as a pre-conceptual
percept.
DM:
yet we experience sameness and identity and repetition and pattern,
Andre:
Instead of using the word 'yet' it makes more sense to use 'and because
of this' we experience sameness and identity and repetition and pattern.
It seems you are still 'filling' Dq with things that are not there and
you seem to underestimate the influence/powerful conditioning which sq
'represents' or rather points to.
Remember the 'amendment' Pirsig made to Descartes' statement in LILA?
DM:
...you realise I am right but your dogma stops you from fully admitting
it,this is the real reason this conversation cannot progress.
Andre:
There is very little 'right' about your argument DM and you are
beginning to sound like Marsha when she finds herself in a corner she
can only get out of through slithering tactics.
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