Greetings, Of the talk about dukkha being like a spinning wheel? From Anthony McWatt's 'MoQ Textbook'
"The MOQ sees the wheel of karma as attached to a cart that is going somewhere - from quantum forces through inorganic forces and biological patterns and social patterns to the intellectual patterns that perceive the quantum forces. In the sixth century B.C. in India there was no evidence of this kind of evolutionary progress, and Buddhism, accordingly, does not pay attention to it. Today it’s not possible to be so uninformed. The suffering which the Buddhists regard as only that which is to be escaped, is seen by the MOQ as merely the negative side of the progression toward Quality (or, just as accurately, the expansion of quality). Without the suffering to propel it, the cart would not move forward at all. (Pirsig, 1997a)" The Ultimate Truth (Quality) is something each individual must realize; it is the still point at the center of the wheel. That still point is not you or me or any things. In meditation, you're moving towards that center. You are letting go of all patterns: inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. The patterns are "killed", or 'completely stopped', in order to realize the still point in the center of the wheel - the silence. The letting go is not annihilation or a rejection, but it gives one the perspective and peace of mind to understand the whole from being at the center instead out on the circumference where you just get whirled about or stuck in a gumption rut. When refreshed, one moves forward smoothly and/or creatively. Imho. Marsha On Nov 10, 2013, at 7:54 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: Yet, how does RMP state morality can be served? RMP: While sustaining biological and social patterns Kill all intellectual patterns. Kill them completely And then follow Dynamic Quality And morality will be served. ... "When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage of enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, did it only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the time he'd thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental religious baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that Westerners go to if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. Now he saw that enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just as the color yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some cultures accept it and others screen out recognition of it." (LILA, Chapter 32) > On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > "When Socrates Met Phaedrus: Eros in Philosophy," by Simon Critchley, Hans > Jonas professor of philosophy at the New School for Social Research in New > York. > > > http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/when-socrates-met-phaedrus-eros-in-philosophy/?_r=0 > > > > "The intention of the “Phaedrus”.., as Alexander Nehemas has convincingly > suggested, is to inflame philosophical eros in Phaedrus that gives him the > ability to distinguish bad rhetoric, of the kinds found in Lysias’s speech > and in Socrates’s first speech, from true rhetoric, of the kind found in the > second speech and then analyzed in the second half of the dialogue." > > > "...The opposite of a self-contradiction, the “Phaedrus” is a performative > self-enactment of philosophy. If eros is a force that shapes the > philosopher, then rhetoric is the art by which the philosopher persuades the > non-philosopher to assume philosophical eros, to incline their soul towards > truth. But to do this does not entail abandoning the art of rhetoric or > indeed sophistry, which teaches that art, although it does so falsely. > Philosophy uses true rhetoric against false rhetoric. The subject matter > of the “Phaedrus” is rhetoric, true rhetoric. ..." > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
