Marsha, It is drawn from the experience of Reading the pirsig quote , exactly What do you suppose RMP means When he uses the term "fact"? You are getting ridiculous trying to squirm away from the point of the Quote, what do you think pirsig meant by the monkey analogy?
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2013, at 7:12 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ron, > > And? Was the analogy of the monkey with its hand caught in the coconut drawn > from any kind of fact that you experienced? How are you defining a fact and > is the interpretation of facts subject to cognitive biases (stale, confusing, > static, intellectual attachments to the past). I think it best to consider > static patterns of value (stuff in the encyclopedia) as hypothetical. Of > course the requires paying attention. > > Marsha > > >> On Dec 6, 2013, at 6:00 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Marsha , >> Of course the analogy is to >> Get a point across, that facts >> Exist in experience , facts are >> Not hypotheses. >> >> The hypothetical story was used >> To illustrate a point RMP was >> Making about value rigidityThere is a fact this monkey should know: if he >> opens his hand he's free. But how is he going to discover this fact? By >> removing the value rigidity that rates rice above freedom. How is he going >> to do that? Well, he should somehow try to slow down deliberately and go >> over ground that he has been over before and see if things he thought were >> important really were important >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:44 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> Okay, low value is low value, but how is using the monkey trap analogy not >>> a hypothetical? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Using the monkey trAp analogy, >>>> It would seem (to me) that there >>>> Is nothing hypothetical about being >>>> In a low quality environment/situation. >>>> The bias lies in the value rigidity. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:22 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hypothetical is a good approach, because as pattern recognition entities, >>>>> we are susceptible to a HUGE list of cognitive biases: >>>>> >>>>> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
