Marsha, The topic is and always was What Bob Pirsig means, since You posted it originally I'd say The onus is on you, what were You trying to say with the quote? How does " hypothetical" relate To how RMP accounts for value Rigidity being overcome? Then I can make some valid Criticism. Right now I'm not Understanding how the two Relate in your interpretation.
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:53 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ron, > > I asked you how you were defining 'fact'. It is for you to answer. It is you > who are squirming away. Analogy: > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Analogy?s=t > > I think by 'value rigidity' RMP means, in the Buddhist sense, attachment. > > > Marsha > > > > > > >> On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Marsha, >> It is drawn from the experience of >> Reading the pirsig quote , exactly >> What do you suppose RMP means >> When he uses the term "fact"? >> You are getting ridiculous trying to squirm away from the point of the >> Quote, what do you think pirsig meant by the monkey analogy? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 7:12 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> And? Was the analogy of the monkey with its hand caught in the coconut >>> drawn from any kind of fact that you experienced? How are you defining a >>> fact and is the interpretation of facts subject to cognitive biases (stale, >>> confusing, static, intellectual attachments to the past). I think it best >>> to consider static patterns of value (stuff in the encyclopedia) as >>> hypothetical. Of course the requires paying attention. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 6:00 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Marsha , >>>> Of course the analogy is to >>>> Get a point across, that facts >>>> Exist in experience , facts are >>>> Not hypotheses. >>>> >>>> The hypothetical story was used >>>> To illustrate a point RMP was >>>> Making about value rigidityThere is a fact this monkey should know: if he >>>> opens his hand he's free. But how is he going to discover this fact? By >>>> removing the value rigidity that rates rice above freedom. How is he going >>>> to do that? Well, he should somehow try to slow down deliberately and go >>>> over ground that he has been over before and see if things he thought were >>>> important really were important >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:44 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron, >>>>> >>>>> Okay, low value is low value, but how is using the monkey trap analogy >>>>> not a hypothetical? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Using the monkey trAp analogy, >>>>>> It would seem (to me) that there >>>>>> Is nothing hypothetical about being >>>>>> In a low quality environment/situation. >>>>>> The bias lies in the value rigidity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:22 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hypothetical is a good approach, because as pattern recognition >>>>>>> entities, we are susceptible to a HUGE list of cognitive biases: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
