Ron, I asked you how you were defining 'fact'. It is for you to answer. It is you who are squirming away. Analogy: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Analogy?s=t I think by 'value rigidity' RMP means, in the Buddhist sense, attachment. Marsha
> On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > Marsha, > It is drawn from the experience of > Reading the pirsig quote , exactly > What do you suppose RMP means > When he uses the term "fact"? > You are getting ridiculous trying to squirm away from the point of the > Quote, what do you think pirsig meant by the monkey analogy? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 6, 2013, at 7:12 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Ron, >> >> And? Was the analogy of the monkey with its hand caught in the coconut >> drawn from any kind of fact that you experienced? How are you defining a >> fact and is the interpretation of facts subject to cognitive biases (stale, >> confusing, static, intellectual attachments to the past). I think it best >> to consider static patterns of value (stuff in the encyclopedia) as >> hypothetical. Of course the requires paying attention. >> >> Marsha >> >> >>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 6:00 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Marsha , >>> Of course the analogy is to >>> Get a point across, that facts >>> Exist in experience , facts are >>> Not hypotheses. >>> >>> The hypothetical story was used >>> To illustrate a point RMP was >>> Making about value rigidityThere is a fact this monkey should know: if he >>> opens his hand he's free. But how is he going to discover this fact? By >>> removing the value rigidity that rates rice above freedom. How is he going >>> to do that? Well, he should somehow try to slow down deliberately and go >>> over ground that he has been over before and see if things he thought were >>> important really were important >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:44 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron, >>>> >>>> Okay, low value is low value, but how is using the monkey trap analogy not >>>> a hypothetical? >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Using the monkey trAp analogy, >>>>> It would seem (to me) that there >>>>> Is nothing hypothetical about being >>>>> In a low quality environment/situation. >>>>> The bias lies in the value rigidity. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:22 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hypothetical is a good approach, because as pattern recognition >>>>>> entities, we are susceptible to a HUGE list of cognitive biases: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
