To which I should add two points Dan, (1) Which is precisely where you were in your recent exchange with Marsha, before you both flipped your playful tolerance bits.
(2) And why I say as carefully (caringly) as I can to DMB (the champion / paragon of aiming to get MoQ on a serious academic footing) - "Careful Dave, you're killing the MoQ in the process." Ian On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Dan, > > We agree enough is enough. > If I may focus on your final para: > >> The real question seems to be: is this discussion group a culture of its >> own? And if so, are we presuming these beliefs correspond to some sort of >> external (objective) reality? So far as I know, the MOQ subsumes objective >> and subjective reality into a framework of value. Are these values to be >> found in Lila and ZMM? > > I think there is a lot on this. > > The culture of this group "should" comprise the values we find in Lila > and ZMM sure. > > Playful (whether worldly / knowing or naive / neurotic) social > interaction is simply part of being a group - the bit we agree needs > to be within limits of tolerance, caring for each other as > individuals, to use John's language. > > But the core culture is of course schizophernic / split-personality > between ZMM and Lila. (And Paul gave us a "two views" perspective on > this.) > > Those on the philosophical academe agenda, the Lila half, clearly seem > intent on subsuming whatever qualities MoQ has (had) into some > objective subject-object dialectic. (Mark / 118 said as much > recently). > > For me these are welcome to their own agenda, I respect their rights > to do so - in an academic context. What I can't accept is this agenda > subsuming the whole art & rhetroic of zen and the art of MD, which > only flourishes without the overly objective shackles. > > Half dead is not alive. > Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html