Thanks Dave. I appreciate your help even when I already knew all that stuff.
Just kidding. But I've come to regard ZAMM as at the forefront of popularizing post modern thought or alternately - Postmodernism for Dummies. Hey! There's a book idea for you. John On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:21 PM, david <[email protected]> wrote: > > More helpful help for John to ignore.... > > Historian James Livingston says the classical pragmatists like Dewey and > James were already postmodern way before it was cool. And what is it that > makes them postmodern? If you look at what they do not believe, hopefully, > you can see that REJECTING SOM is one thing that pragmatism and > postmodernism have in common. Livingston says they... > > "...do not believe that thoughts and things inhabit different ontological > orders: they do not acknowledge an external or natural realm of objects, of > things-in-themselves, which is ultimately impervious to, or fundamentally > different than, thought or mind or consciousness. Accordingly, they escape > the structure of meanings built around the modern subjectivity, which > presupposes the self's separation or cognitive distance from this reified > realm of objects." > > Even further, Richard Rorty thought they were way ahead of the > postmodernist.... > > "James and Dewey were not only waiting at the end of the dialectical road > which analytic philosophy traveled, but are waiting at the end of the road > which, for example, Foucault and Deleuze are currently traveling." > > Larry Hickman takes the ball from Rorty and really runs with it in his > book "Pragmatism as Post-Postmodernism". He lists several ways in which > classical pragmatism is like postmodern. As you can see, both of them are > rejecting a series of Modern philosophical doctrines. Here again you can > see the rejection of SOM, especially in quote #2 & #6. > > 1. "It rejects Cartesian and other types of attempts to provide ultimate > foundations for knowledge claims, opting instead for a view of > knowledge-getting that involves the construction and reconstruction of > temporarily differentiated platforms of action.. indefinitely." > > 2. "It rejects the spectator theory of knowledge, according to which true > knowledge is constituted by an accurate internal representation of an > external fact, electing instead a perspectival view of knowledge-getting..." > > 3. "It rejects the view that the sources of knowledge or the norms thereof > are derived from locations that are outside of experience itself. In other > words, both the transcendent accounts of supernaturalist theologies and > various forms of Platonism, as well as Kantian accounts of > knowledge-getting that depend upon a transcendental ego, are rejected.." > > 4. "It rejects the idea that human knowing can achieve absolute > certainty,.. And it rejects the possibility of the grand narrative,.." > > 5. "What Dewey termed 'the quest for certainty,' based ultimately on an > obsession with skepticism that seems to have been the leitmotif of > modernist thought, is rejected as unproductive." > > 6. "Modernist subjectivity is also recast. The self of classical > pragmatism is no longer isolated as a self-contained thinking entity - such > as a transcendental ego - over against an external world of objects and > other thinking entities. ..The self of classical pragmatism is, > nevertheless, not so decentered as to be elusive, aas some postmodernist > writers would have it." > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
