Ant said to John Carl Feb 5th 2014:
I always enjoyed Pirsig's retort to Copleston's statement that
"The Absolute is spirit" with the comment "There is
[a] brand of vodka called "Absolut"!
John:
Yeah, Mr. Pirsig didn't care much for the term "spirit". It's not a
well-defined term. Whenever I hear the term spirit, I think DQ. When I hear
Absolut I think, "yes please, I'll have a drink".
Ant McWatt comments:
Too right John. In fact, most of the time, I'd rather have a double vodka and
lime with some ice than even reading that humourous Pirsigian quote!
Ron Kulp then commented on this aside, Feb 6th 2014:
It's always fun to re-examine
Why DQ (the mystic) in experience,
Was considered "absolute".
Technically vodka is a solution,
But the solution of the mystic
Being fixed eternal and unknowable
(In the gnosis of fixed knowledge)
Just created a lot of problems for
The rationalists temperament of
The Platonists/Neo-Platonists which
Influenced thinking in early western
Civilization (in theology and scientific
Thought).
The lesson of re-examination of perennial
wisdom is discovering that
The road has been tread before us
And we should be able to point to
The pitfalls and the mistakes made
In how we treat the idea of the mystic
Unknown and it's utility in meaning
Not only to us as subscribers but
To our community.
I think we have the tools to do it
And all it takes is an expansion in
The ideas we already know and are
Comfortable with.
An analogy would be singing the
Wrong lyrics to a well known song
All your life then you look up the real
Lyrics, now the song takes on new
Meaning and usually makes more
Sense. Creedance (there's a bad moon
on the rise) comes to mind.
Usually misinterpreted as there's a
bathroom on the right.
But you get the gist.
The Socratic dialogs and Aristotle
Are very similar to bad moon on the rise.
If you ask me, that is.
Ant McWatt comments:
Christ Ron. That's SOME philosophical rap!
It certainly looks like you beat me to that vodka bottle today.... I'm afraid
it's getting rather a little late for alcohol this evening but I might just
smoke something "interesting" a little later and see how your rap reads then!
Best wishes,
Ant
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know it's not a
very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it
is the truth: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never
murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never
beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids,
laughed my ass off, and went about my day."
(The late, great... Bill Hicks)
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