Ant,

> Ant McWatt adds to Dave's comments:
>
> John,
>
> Just to be clear here, an individual in the MOQ is defined as being
> composed of the four static levels, inorganic, biological, social and
> intellectual.
>
> If you equate the individual with just the intellectual level (of the MOQ)
> then that puts you outside the MOQ straight away and that's the end of the
> conversation philosophically - at least as far as this discussion group is
> concerned


No, you misunderstand.  I agree that the individual is all four levels.
Which is why it doesn't make sense to me to construe them as competitive
with each other.  Am I in competition with my spleen?  No, all competition
is inherently social and I'd say the sense of self that we use everyday is
largely social in nature and derivation.  Intellect is this magic carpet
that can get up and beyond the self and look down on it and analyze it.  I
believe if nobody else supports my idea, Mr. Buddha does because he
certainly transcended his own selfness, rationally.  And I think we all do
that, in little ways, all the time.  We act different around different
people.  What is that but leaving a self behind and adopting another?

 In SOM the self is just taken as fundamental; in the MoQ the self is an
object of inquiry - is it any good?   The power of the levels is bringing
perspective from different ways of patterning.

heh.  Bad Self!
Sit!

John
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