Ant, Calm and fair enough perhaps, but not the whole story:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote: > > John Carl stated May 20th 2014: > > > I don't know how the idea that I'm anti-intellectual got started. I might > > be a bit anti-academic because I see the same problems that I quoted from > > ZAMM - the system of authority tends to warp the professors and turn what > > SHOULD be an intellectual debate into a social kiss-ass party. If you > guys > > all think that Pirsig's problems with the church of reason have just > > disappeared, then give me some evidence but don't accuse me of > > anti-intellectualism just because I follow Pirsig's teaching in ZAMM. > > Ant McWatt comments: > > And, in the last sentence, here we have the root of my "problem" with John > Carl. This is a forum devoted to the MOQ which is primarily based on the > ideas in LILA (not ZMM). Jc: I've never heard that before. It sounds like a Christian who doesn't want to talk about the old testament. Truthfully, Lila was my favorite of the two but I don't see so much a radical shift between the two works as a gradual evolution and evolution is what I'd expect from a philosophic system based upon evolutionary betterness. Ant: > This wouldn't be too bad on its own but, on top of this, John Carl seems > to have also largely ignored not only LILA but also the wider reading > surrounding the MOQ such as SODV and Paul Turner's papers at > robertpirsig.org. > > Jc: I don't know you very well Ant. All the years I was heavily involved in discussing the MoQ here, you weren't around much at the time. I'm glad to see you more involved now, but I don't think any judgement you make about me and what I know, and what I ignore is valid since you don't know me at all. You hedge honestly with your "seems" and so let me just tell you that the seeming is wrong. It's true I take a different approach to discussing aspects of the MoQ, but do you really want us all to be clones? Ant: I think some beginners who come to this forum could be misled by John > Carl's posts so, on the whole, that's why I don't he's a positive influence > here. > > Jc: A: What beginners? B: They usually get driven off by dmb's hostility, long before they get confused by me. > Anyway, no matter, I've said my piece about this matter (which I hope has > been calm and fair enough for everyone even if you don't agree with my > sentiments expressed in the above!). > > Ant > I appreciate your clarifying, Ant. All I ask, is if I'm wrong in some way, show me how, logically and rationally. Thanks, John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
