I have another problem with the SOP of MOQ interpretation. I don't agree that the levels are discrete.
dis·crete /dɪˈskrit/ 1. apart or detached from others; separate; distinct: six discrete parts. 2. consisting of or characterized by distinct or individual parts; discontinuous. 3. Mathematics . a. (of a topology or topological space) having the property that every subset is an open set. b. defined only for an isolated set of points: a discrete variable. c. using only arithmetic and algebra; not involving calculus: discrete methods. Origin: 1350–1400; Middle English < Latin discrētus separated; see discreet The reason this seems so ridiculous to me is that there is nothing so continuous as experience - life, the universe and everything. Life without inorganic parts, would be nothing, societies without biological beings would be empty and ideas that no society accepts are unheard of. Every single level contains the levels below it. in fact, the level below is defined only by what it is not! That qhixh ia higher. Evolution doesn't take us out of the morass of nature. Nature is evolution and raises us to higher purpose that includes all lower patterns. The only way to define the lower is by the not-upper. Inorgania does not contain life and life does not contain society and society does not possess intellect. There is a process that all communities engage in, on their evolution to a transcendant and lasting community - they always scapegoat their true leaders. Ask the Zuni brujo, while he's being hung. He'll tell you. The MD doesn't want any holes in their system, and so they don't accept holes in their system. It's the ol' naked Emperor story, that gets told over and over. Any social hierarchy creates a dominance pattern at the top, which resists change to the point that it resists truth. That's why intellect rises above society, to find truth. Pirsig's philosophy isn't about system-building, in the first place. Pirsig's philosophy is about obtaining lost value. When you have a realization of good, you don't have to ask experts or authority anymore, what is good. Neither do you need to be a reactionary and reject authority, just because it's not able to rule in every individual life. You take what is good and you share it again. That's the way good ideas spread. Pirsig's teachings got me there. Now the question is, why should I be captured again, by worshipping Pirsig's teachings? Was he not a single man in his single experience and speaking of the problems he faced in the high country of the mind? Other people don't start from the same place as him. For the important reason that time marches on and places change. Mountains are wide at the bottom. Is Pirsig about learning one route, and one route only? Do I have to move to Montana and get rubbed out in Chicago? Or is Pirsig about showing a way to find your own path? Because I'd always assumed it was the latter, and if that's wrong. If what we are supposed to take from his work, is memorizing words and parroting them exactly, then I guess I've really been wrong about ZAMM and Lila. Arlo and dmb and Ant are right, I'm just stupid and don't understand the MoQ, after all. Here I thought it was about Quality. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
