Hi John
I have no problem with calling religion a social pattern and, for some
communities, these patterns are highly significant but they are not the
totality of the social level.
What you appear to want to do, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is
replace the social level with your 'religious' level, thus replacing all
social patterns of value with religious patterns of value which is quite
obviously incorrect. Religion and religious patterns are a part of the
social level. If all religions and religious patterns disappeared in a
puff of smoke tomorrow there would still be a social level.
Horse
On 23/08/2014 18:49, John Carl wrote:
My line of thought was triggered by Jan-Anders inquiry into the "Step Two",
Horse, and as such is not as ridiculous as you are putting forth.
In the earliest human communities, and to the American Indian, Religion in
the form of do's and don't, myth and meaning, was EVERYTHING and it guided
every step of their lives.
It takes no great leap then to call their social patterns, religious.
We who live in a more enlightened age, associate religion with superstition
and foolishness but I say that in our blanket denigration of earlier
ancestors, we are ignoring the unproven assumptions by which we live and
take on "faith".
But I see that nobody wants to engage with this idea, so I'll shut up about
it.
John
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote:
And religion is one part of the social level not it's entirety - or are
you as blind to that as Bo is blind to anything other than subjects and
objects being the whole of the intellectual level? At the moment you are
making as much sense as Bo - possibly less!
Horse
On 23/08/2014 01:27, John Carl wrote:
Horse,
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote:
John
Whether you're serious or not is irrelevant. Saying the Social level is
the 'Religious Level' has as much credence as saying the Intellectual
level
is the 'Individual' level or consists entirely of Subjects and Objects!
Belief in sky pixies or gods or god with some sort of mysterious
creationist type mythology (which covers the majority of religions) is
pure
social level patterns.
It's basically hogwash with holes in it!
Horse
I believe that's my exact point? That "Belief in sky pixies or gods
or god
with some sort of mysterious creationist type mythology (which covers the
majority of religions) is pure social level patterns"
Pure social level indeed!
John
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