Hi there John and Andre

Humour is one of the highest Values, (which maybe explains why dope smokers got 
so funny faces:).

But anyone of you still can't hit one of these DEEP values with a stick nor 
talk to the stick. Aint that peculiar?

Jan-Anders

> 4 sep 2014 kl. 19:13 Andre Broersen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> John to Andre:
> Your words are absolutely clear, Andre.  I can see right through them.  To 
> the exact wording that Pirsig used and while I have to give you an "A" for 
> scholarly accuracy, If that's all there is to your MOQ then I’m afraid you’ve 
> missed the whole point.
> 
> Andre:
> You’re right John and I apologize for not recognizing your profound intellect 
> and ¨deep value”  understanding of Pirsig’s MOQ.
> 
> John:
> All can be seen in a religious context, if you think of religion as it truly 
> is - the sharing of deep value.
> 
> Andre:
> Yes John…you’ve opened my mind (or is it heart?)… sharing of ¨deep value”. 
> Gosh, I wished I’d have come up with that one. It is sooooo profound. So that 
> is REALLY what Pirsig means by the social level. Wow! I mean, I’ve heard of 
> low value and high value but DEEP value. This really adds to my understanding 
> of the MOQ. Thank you John, thank you.
> 
> John:
> You can narrow it down to human society, and it still has wide scope - 
> football, economics, academic associations, rotary club minutes, etc, etc. 
> What would you call a single term that encompassed all that territory, if not 
> of wide scope?
> 
> Andre:
> Yes John…wide scope. Instead of merely suggesting ¨social level” Pirsig 
> should have said religious level as this would have included everything. But 
> YOU thought of it John. Fantastic! Your genius has hit on something profound 
> and put Pirsig to shame!
> 
> John:
> You've made your point perfectly and I smell your pain. You think the MOQ 
> experience can be confined to words and exact definitions.  You are sadly 
> lost, my friend. And I doubt I can help you.  I know the way out of the dark 
> wood you're in, but you don't like or trust me.  There's not much I can say.
> 
> Andre:
> Again profound John. Now you think you can master the art of mind reading as 
> well. I have one word for that: brilliant.
> 
> Andre previously:
>> A good definition does not narrow the context?it broadens it John.
> 
> John:
> You've crossed the line to the irrational now.  I got nothing to say to 
> de-constructive nihilists.
> 
> Andre:
> ¨Good is a noun. That was it. That was what Phaedrus had been looking for. 
> That was the homer, over the fence, that ended the ball game… if you had to 
> reduce the whole Metaphysics of Quality to a single sentence, that would be 
> it” . ( The Dakota Indian considers goodness to be a noun rather than an 
> adjective) (LILA p 418).
> 
> John in response to Andre’s just capture the MOQ [ and all is said]:
> And here we are, less than 50 years latter, Andre-Buchanan can utter the same 
> idea, dressed in an "MOQ" blanket, and nobody on this forum but I can see the 
> great error, the huge mistake that is. 
> 
> Andre:
> John, you are proving your brilliance once again. Do you feel lonely John? I 
> mean, you’re intellectual circumference has not been equalled on this site 
> and, as you mentioned earlier the people you talk with do not comprehend what 
> you say when talking MOQ so you talk SOM. It must be lonely at the top 
> John…come on…show some human frailty.
> 
> John:
> A statement that violates the very heart and spirit of the MoQ, That any sort 
> of static pattern holds the keys on "all there is to say”. 
> 
> Andre:
> You are assuming that the word ¨capture”  denotes ¨all there is to say”. 
> Actually there is very little to say John but you know that already.
> 
> John:
> "In the area of Religion, the rational relationship of Quality to the Godhead 
> needs to be more thoroughly established, and this I hope to do much later on.”
> 
> Andre:
> I can’t wait John. Am so looking forward to your brilliant insights. Can’t 
> you give us a preview?
> 
> John:
> And I'm sorry to embarrass you so.  Its bound to happen when we all get 
> thrown together in one group, the idiots and smart-asses in one place. I 
> can't help it that I uncover your shame.  It's just my nature to be honest.
> 
> Andre:
> And honesty is a virtue John…and you display it over and over. You are the 
> smart ass and I am the idiot. You are soooo profound. I love you John.
> 
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