Andre Thanks for your suggestions.
I am just tryin to find expressions that makes it easier to use in public, as to my wife and my brother for example. I am open for just anything that works. The metaphor with the stick is a variant I told Ant. If you can't find any better way to examine something, throw it on the floor and see what happens. I exchanged the floor with a stick, that's all. While on the train to Stockholm again, what about buying a ticket to the levels? Handy or not? I am sometime considering the fact that MD is mostly at the intellectual level so I think it's interesting how hard it is to talk to a stick... or an iPad. I don't understand the voice command function at all. Seriously, getting time and evolution must be an act of speculation as it is so hard to remember patterns that happened milions of years a go. But as it has its hierarchy I am still quite curious about any detail I can find. Logic and Quality hasn't changed as much as I understand. Jan-Anders > 4 sep 2014 kl. 22:37 skrev Andre Broersen <[email protected]>: > > J.A to John and Andre : > But anyone of you still can't hit one of these DEEP values with a stick nor > talk to the stick. Aint that peculiar? > > Andre: > That ain’t peculiar J.A. Nr one: I do not know where John gets the DEEP > values from…perhaps from his groin…could be anything but as Pirsig pointed > out: do not confuse the different levels of values…they are empires all on > their own, evolutionary developments one should not mess with…even in the > head. > > That is why Pirsig suggested that inorganic and organic levels are > ¨objective” in the sense that you can measure them ( i.e. touch, see, hear, > smell, taste, feel them) and that social and intellectual values are > ¨subjective” in the sense that you cannot measure them ( i.e.you cannot > sense them [in the usual way of sense perception]). > > Your stick endeavor doesn’t make much sense in that regard. I mean, what are > you trying to prove or what are you suggesting? > > Evolution seems to be a development from the gross toward the subtle (in Ken > Wilber’s terms). I fail to see or appreciate the point you are making or > trying to investigate. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
