Great article David, thanks. Regarding the posiibilities for constructing a working selfconfident AI it is interesting how the concept of it self should be represented, if possible at all. Electronic and digital values are present in any electronic device.
I must confess to the readers of my book "Money and..." that I was using the erected penis as an idiom for the uncontrollable self. I liked it because it's so digital, either on or off, 1 or zero. Strange enough, the opposite case it s for women where 1 is off while 0 is on. Female readers are those who like it and hate it most. Jan-Anders > 5 sep 2014 kl. 00:19 skrev david <[email protected]>: > > > > > "In our highly complex organic state we advanced organisms respond to our > environment with an invention of many marvelous analogues. We invent earth > and > heavens, trees, stones and oceans, gods, music, arts, language, philosophy, > engineering, civilization and science. We call these analogues reality. And > they are reality. We mesmerize our children in the name of truth into knowing > that they are reality. We throw anyone who does not accept these analogues > into > an insane asylum. But that which causes us to invent the analogues is > Quality. > Quality is the continuing stimulus which our environment puts upon us to > create > the world in which we live. All of it. Every last bit of it." -- Pirsig, ZAMM > > > It looks like there is empirical evidence to support Pirsig's assertion that > we invent and use analogues, although these guys talk about it in terms of > "metaphors". > > > "...The hypothesis driving their work is that metaphor is central to > language. Metaphor used to be thought of as merely poetic ornamentation, > aesthetically pretty but otherwise irrelevant. ..For > centuries, metaphor was just the place where poets went to show off. But > in their 1980 book, Metaphors We Live By, the linguist > George Lakoff (at the University of California at Berkeley) and the > philosopher Mark Johnson (now at the University of Oregon) > revolutionized linguistics by showing that metaphor is actually a > fundamental constituent of language. For example, they showed that in > the seemingly literal statement "He’s out of sight," the visual field is > metaphorized as a container that holds things. The visual field isn’t > really a container, of course; one simply sees objects or not. But the > container metaphor is so ubiquitous that it wasn’t even recognized as a > metaphor until Lakoff and Johnson pointed it out. > From such examples they argued that ordinary language is saturated with > metaphors." > > > "The MOQ resolves the relationship between intellect and society, subject > and object, mind and matter, by embedding all of them in a larger system of > understanding. Objects are inorganic and biological values; subjects are > social and intellectual values. They are not two mysterious universes that > go floating around in some subject-object dream that allows them no real > contact with one another. They have a matter-of-fact evolutionary > relationship. That evolutionary relationship is also a moral one." -- Pirsig > in Lila > > > I think their work might also support Pirsig's assertion that the levels have > a matter-of-fact-evolutionary relationship, specifically the connections > between the biological and social levels such that the structure of the body > (matter) shapes the structures of thought (mind). > > > "Lakoff and Johnson’s program is as anti-Platonic as it’s possible to > get. It undermines the argument that human minds can reveal transcendent > truths about reality in transparent language. They argue instead that > human cognition is embodied—that human concepts are shaped by the > physical features of human brains and bodies. "Our physiology provides > the concepts for our philosophy," Lakoff wrote in his introduction to > Benjamin Bergen’s 2012 book, Louder Than Words: The New Science of How the > Mind Makes Meaning. > Marianna Bolognesi, a linguist at the International Center for > Intercultural Exchange, in Siena, Italy, puts it this way: "The > classical view of cognition is that language is an independent system > made with abstract symbols that work independently from our bodies. This > view has been challenged by the embodied account of cognition which > states that language is tightly connected to our experience. Our bodily > experience." > > > http://chronicle.com/article/Your-Brain-on-Metaphors/148495/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
