John Carl misleadingly (as usual) stated:

'Idealism is about ideals.  Quality is an ideal.  If you can't make that leap 
of logic, then happy chattering."

Ant McWatt notes:

Sounds like you suffered a bit of brain damage after your recent accident John.

You see (Dynamic) Quality isn't an ideal for Pirsig; it's undefinable, 
immediate experience and is therefore logically prior to anything else 
(including ideals) in the empirical train leading from immediate experience to 
concepts.

Again, you're just trying to shoehorn the MOQ into your pet SOM way of 
thinking.  That's like trying to squeeze the average size polar bear into the 
average size penguin.  It ain't going to work without causing one hell of a 
bloody metaphysical mess!

Are you on any other philosophy discussion groups, by the way John?  If so, I'd 
be interested in joining one or two of them.  

Ant


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