Well, It took me a long time to finally gear up on the workfloor and leave the grid , so to speak,my considerations were long and carefull because of the financial impact.Also because i'm 56 since 2 months,it is not really a 'hard' pension so to speak but a sort of intermediate form of (allowed pro forma )unemployement with some restrictions. The most prominent of these restrictions is that i have to stay and live in Belgium for another 9 years and only when i'm oficially 65 i can leave on a permanent basis. So i was really planning to travel extensively,or buy a property in Turkey,or maybe France.... or another warm country,i was really scouting for a country that doesn't levy tax on foreign derived pensions ,will make a lot of difference in the long run. Anyway , to enjoy life a little bit more these days, and to start traveling Europe, i bought a honda crv,and planned a trip to Rome for 2 weeks in May,maybe later on the summer I will drive it to Turkey(Bursa) need to start somewhere....
I still have to work on my daughters's house for about 6 months and then that will be finished too,can't hardly wait for that pressure relief.. I also spend lots of time on my Bicycle(very popular here.) The smartphone event you write about, tssss....everywhere the same.Very recognisable. Me and my wife always liked to ask people to dinner when it was Christmass or oldyears evening; my wife is a very good cook,and sometimes we had 40 people here that days!, but on the long run,these last years, it was always the same story with these damn smartphones the whole evening, nobody kept on conversating/socialising anymore but in stead were occupied all evening texting other people somewhere in the virtualworld talking with facebookfriends. In the end these last years,friends from the old days became simple people,eating without socialising,drinking without sharing stories,getting drunk without laughing.....well, we became fed up with patters like this, Dan,and i told my wife not to invite anyone anymore on these days. Best solution really. Later on the evening i will react some more on your posting and Horse's one Adrie 2015-03-29 21:20 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > Adrie, > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Snip from Dan > > "I suspect you already have 'DQ' in your life. As living beings we all > > do. The thing is though, we become distracted by the shiny pretty > > things that permeate our reality from the time we wake till the time > > we go back to sleep. The magic's gone, replaced by the latest > > technological innovations, the newest iPhone, the next generation LED, > > etc..." > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Dan,long time no see."The magic's gone,....i'll kept on reading this > > line for some minutes asking myself where the magic went. > > I do not think it's ever gone,or absent entirely but just maybe we become > > lazy or losse a part of our natural wonder and curiosity. > > I wonder, could i still feel or expierience wonder when i discover an > owl's > > nest or a little salamander when i'm fishing? > > I think i do. > > But i also think that a certain numbness comes along in life.Still , > > writing like you do, is a constant playing with an unfolding reality,full > > of wonder and new things to shape. > > My fingers are rusty to typ, as is my English,but things will improve > > beause i'm retired nowadays. > > Hi Adrie, > Great to hear from you! What are you doing now that you have time to > do it? Me, I've got a little ways to go before I retire and even then > it'll only be from my Brotberuf... you know, my bread job. Yes, you're > right. The magic isn't really gone. It gets covered up under a veneer > of that which we convince ourselves life is about. > > I like to people watch. I was in the shop the other day when a father > and his young son came in to have work done on their car. They both > were deeply involved in the smartphones they carried to the point > where it became apparent (to me) that neither of them interacted on a > personal basis with each other or with those around them. Kid must > have been five, maybe six, dad in his late twenties, early thirties. > Well do to, a nice ride, wearing fine clothes... all the wealth that > society can bestow upon any of us. > > It made me sad to watch them. Neither of them bothered looking up when > I walked into the break room where they sat. I said hi automatically. > That's what I do. The dad grunted at me. Just something > unintelligible. The kid said nothing, nothing at all. Manic though. > Yeah, there was a tenseness about them both, like they were on edge, > probably from whatever game the kid happened to be playing or the work > the dad felt was so important that he had to ignore the rest of the > world. > > I had the notion to yank the devices out of their hands and slam them > into the wall hard enough to break them but then the police would come > and there'd be questions to answer and probably handcuffs to wear and > it didn't seem worth the trouble. But I bet that would have woken them > up from that hypnotic trance they were in. Do you think? > > Thanks again, Adrie! Wonderful to hear from you, and enjoy your retirement! > > Dan > > http://www.danglover.com > > > > > Adrie > > > > 2015-03-29 10:15 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > > > >> Hey, > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:27 AM, ngriffis <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > Ron wrote: "... The passions are rejected. Pirsig, on the other hand, > >> seems > >> > to place more importance on emotion and feeling as a guiding principle > >> > toward intellect." > >> > > >> > To shift Ron's meaning a bit, I wonder if the forum members > would > >> > agree that Pirsig places importance on emotion and feeling as a > guiding > >> > principle toward Dynamic Quality? Further, I would like to broach the > >> > subject of how one goes about seeking Dynamic Quality (DQ) in one's > life. > >> > Let us hope that there are easier paths than insanity to reach DQ > >> insights > >> > :) > >> > > >> > I must say that I have benefitted, not from my own cutting > edge > >> > thoughts, but have only been able to add quality to my life through > the > >> work > >> > of others. I have gained most of my insights into the static and DQs > of > >> the > >> > world through reading. There is so much great knowledge in the world, > >> but so > >> > few instruction books on how to effectively apply it to one's life. > As a > >> > teacher, I see so much missing in this regard.... OK, I know I want > more > >> DQ > >> > in my life, but how do I go about getting it? > >> > >> Dan: > >> I work a rather mundane job in order to finance my writing. In fact, > >> my entire life revolves around these words. At the same time though, > >> when people ask me where my ideas come from, I can't say, at least not > >> definitively. If I sit down intending to write something, it's all > >> shit. Maybe it's like trying to go to sleep. The more you work at it, > >> the farther away it becomes. > >> > >> I suspect you already have 'DQ' in your life. As living beings we all > >> do. The thing is though, we become distracted by the shiny pretty > >> things that permeate our reality from the time we wake till the time > >> we go back to sleep. The magic's gone, replaced by the latest > >> technological innovations, the newest iPhone, the next generation LED > >> television, just step right up and pick your poison, son. > >> > >> > > >> > So, I hope that other members of the MOQ Forum will share any > of > >> the > >> > methods they have developed which allow them access to DQ insights > that > >> have > >> > bettered their lives. > >> > >> Dan: > >> Insights arise at the damnedest times... while I'm taking a shower or > >> driving somewhere or working at some mindless task. When I'm really > >> wrapped up in my writing I often get stuck. What I mean is, the plot > >> has holes in it that I can't quite fill. I get to worrying it. Working > >> it. Mulling it. And when I'm pretty much ready to say the hell with it > >> all and set the manuscript aside for a few days and work on something > >> else, wham! I see the solution. > >> > >> > > >> > My best contribution comes from, I think, Warren Buffet, who > is > >> said > >> > to be one of the greatest investors of our time. One could call him a > >> > philosopher of investing. He and his partner, Charlie Munger have some > >> good > >> > insights in to Life, as well. Buffet talked about his "intuition", the > >> > source of that "intuition", and those feelings that led him to his > great > >> > successes. He said, to paraphrase, "that intuition without great and > >> > hard-won experience is guessing and, more than not, runs you upon the > >> rocks. > >> > Intuition becomes the leap of insight that is of value (DQ?) only > after > >> > great study and experience." Why? I think it touches upon the idea > that > >> > genius, in one form, is the ability to rearrange what is known and > with a > >> > leap of insight, create a new and better form, something not imagined > >> > before. One's mind has nothing to work with unless it has been filled > >> with > >> > the wisdom and insights that have come before. Additionally, Charlie > >> Munger > >> > added that, in this day of specialization, the more fields one > >> accomplishes > >> > oneself in, perhaps the greater possibility of a synergy resulting in > a > >> new > >> > and better transmutation...a transformative insight moving us from > >> static to > >> > DQ. > >> > >> Dan: > >> I don't know much about investing. Money is cool and all but it never > >> mattered enough to me that I'd make a concerted effort to get more of > >> it. Most times my shoes are fairly tired out and my blue jeans are > >> cratered with holes. My bad, I guess. I do know a little about > >> writing, though. > >> > >> There is a difference between a good writer and a talented writer. The > >> good writer follows all the rules, dots all the i's and crosses all > >> the t's. They are punctuation perfect. Their sentence structure is > >> sound. They use all the words correctly. Yet the words they write seem > >> empty, bereft of feeling. There is no wow to them. > >> > >> The talented writer knows all the rules but doesn't stop there. They > >> develop a style all their own. Their words sing with an other-world > >> melody. Their sentences might not be complete. Punctuation might be > >> nonexistent. They might use a word in a way no one ever thought of > >> doing before. When someone else reads their writing they might be > >> offended. They might be embarrassed. But in the end, they say wow. > >> > >> > > >> > I would offer meditation as a path to DQ, but I have terrible > >> > discipline when it comes to sitting and also believe that Attention > >> Deficit > >> > Disorder keeps my meditations down to about a minute and a half. > >> > >> Dan: > >> Yeah, I got all kinds of excuses too. Hell, I have a million of them. > >> Still, I sit for a minute and then another. Started running last > >> year... June I think it was. Kept it up through the fall. Come winter, > >> I wondered how I'd manage it being as I live in northern Illinois and > >> I don't much like the cold. I discovered the hardest part of running > >> is just getting my ass out there. Once I'm hitting the pavement, I set > >> little goals... make it down the block... make it another half a > >> block, make it back to my house... go on and run a little more. Maybe > >> I should mention I turn 60 in a week and haven't run since high > >> school. Everyone told me I shouldn't run. Too hard on the knees. Too > >> hard on the body. That I'm too old. It's too cold out there. Stay > >> inside, dude. Get a treadmill. Better yet, just quit running. Sit and > >> watch tv like the rest of us. So yeah, I got all kinds of excuses to > >> use not to run. But I do it anyway. One step at a time. > >> > >> > Has anyone > >> > had better luck with any of the Eastern disciplines to attain > increased > >> DQ > >> > in their lives, a path, I think, Pirsig alludes to. > >> > >> Dan: > >> No, not really. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dan > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
