this all makes sense Nikolas, maybe this link will be helpfull in your investigation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage
2015-03-30 18:36 GMT+02:00 Blodgett, Nikolas <[email protected]>: > The idea of sudden realization of truth, known as 'insight', is an > important concept which I believe ties in to 'How to get DQ in your life' > > There is a book coming out soon by a Kounios and Beeman, 'The Eureka > Factor' (I've already reserved it at the Worcester Public Library). I > stumbled upon their research a couple years ago via a book excerpt by a guy > who got in some trouble for faking Bob Dylan quotes. In any case, that 'AHA > moment' is a product of the way our two brain hemispheres work. The past > couple years I have been delving deep into the subject of lateral brain > functions. It is my belief, having been clued into this thread by Pirsig's > letters posted on the moq website, that this lateral function has ALOT to > do with many things often discussed here. It is my opinion that the two > hemispheres function in a complimentary way, which makes alot of sense > evolutionarily. The right side / left side concept was capitalized on in > the '60's and '70's after Sperry and Gazzaniga did their split-brain > patient work, but popular culture skewed the idea enough to cause it to > fall into disrepair. I intend to rekindle it, and I'm not the only one. > (There are some, ie., Kosslyn and Miller, who swear up and down against the > idea. However, their theory simply goes with top brain / bottom brain > instead and they even made fancy tests to determine your type. One even > went on Oprah to promote their theories. Although they have every right to > do so, it really bothers me the way they attack the theory only to replace > it with something that is the same but different.) Anyway, the best way I > can describe it (It's a work in progress), the right side of our brains is > more unconscious, more chunky on a neural level, and thus incoming > information is parsed more globally. The RH takes the job of a silent > monitor of the environment for inconsistencies according to, as well as the > maintenance of, our individual global knowledge-construct. The neural > connections, for the RH, tend to favor between hemisphere interaction while > the Left Hemisphere favors within hemisphere connections. The LH is, much > like the old dual-side theory, more finely grained neurally and is well > known (at least among most right handers, when it comes to left-handedness > the genetics gets fuzzy) as the 'logical/analytical' side; or more > correctly, it is the side that speaks languages (be they math, language, > computer code, or any system of symbols we can define as the intellectual > level). The conscious recognition of objects is its task, along with the > meaning of those systems' symbols, and it is our conscious attention-beam > focusing mechanism. So, as Pirsig has led me toward my current position, as > he has done for us all (or we wouldn't be in this group), my bottom line is > that these couple paragraphs have guided my mission to proof for a few > years now " > > As you know there is something about quality that makes it impossible for > many to understand what you are talking about. A lot of it is persistence > of the materialistic, objective, historic tradition that hopefully will be > overcome in time. But also we are seeing a kind of quality blindness that > musicians call a "tin ear" of singers who keep sharping and flattening > notes without knowing they are doing it. Many people just do not "see" > quality at the same time they are obviously seeing it, in the same way that > tin- eared people do not "hear" harmony at the same time they are obviously > hearing it. I think this was what you were trying to tell Hellier at the > end of the Great Shoot-Out when you told him to learn more about reality. > It seems that all he could see was quality as a concept, something with > about the same scientific reality as hippogriffs and Jesus in Heaven and > other empirically unverifiable entities. He just did not directly see what > you were talking about. Anthony McWatt attended a class on ZMM where the > teacher actually had the same problem. She had no grasp of what value was, > only what a value judgement was. > > I had always assumed that this blockage of direct quality perception was > social, but in Mexico a few years ago I talked to a neurologist who argued > that it was physiological. She said that recent experiments are showing > that the right side of the brain, the "artistic" side, filters all > experience before it reaches the left "rational" side of the brain. this > would concur with the MOQ assertion that value precedes concepts in human > understanding. I have read elsewhere that the left rational side of the > brain can never perceive the right brain as an object, but only receive > messages from it. This would explain why everyone knows that something is > better than other things but no one can define what this betterness is. All > they get are the quality messages but they don't know where the quality > messages are coming from. This is not to say that the right brain creates > the quality, only that it filters it before passing it along to the left > brain for conceptualizing. > > The neurologist's explanation also explains the finding that left- handed > people, in whom the value side of the brain dominates the rational side, > are more commonly found in the arts than are the general population and > have a higher rate of insanity. It could even explain the excessive > hostility we are seeing toward the MOQ from the academic philosophers like > Strawson and Hellier who are above all "rational" in the static sense of > the term. I once read a book called "Death and the Right Hand" which showed > that one of the few anthropological constants found in cultures throughout > the world has been fear and hatred of left-handedness. The word "sinister" > originally meant left-handed. Only our modern scientific rational culture > abandons this social hatred. But at deeper subliminal levels it may still > be there, creating the illusion in some people that Dynamic Quality is > somehow "gauche" and sinister. > > So I know I go on about this every time, and it must be getting old, I > truly believe I have found enough evidence to show that the RH is our Fluid > Dynamic Quality filtering mechanism, and the LH is our conscious > recognition based on that 'knowledge' which has been Crystallized from the > R side. The L does not 'see' that it gets all its info from the R, and > that's where I come back to this post ..... when you have been working on > that novel, math problem, social issue, or any other snag you can't get > past - you walk away from the problem, then as soon as you relax you free > up resources for the RH to search, unconsciously as it does, for the > answer. When it gets a match it lets the LH know, and the LH takes all the > credit. This is "insight". I believe that if you look into it as I have, > that Pirsig is correct in saying that Western culture favors the LH. The RH > (perhaps having to do with the left hand, as he mentioned) is more often > associated with out-of-the-box thinking common to artists, poets, dreamers, > philosophers, and all social thought fringes. I hope that someday soon I > can take the pages and pages I've written and taken notes on about this > subject to the mat, but until then I will just sound a little eccentric > .... > > > The most important part of all this is that I feel I figured out why our > first gut-instinct is always correct! Before that one little voice tells > you the right answer (no pun intended), you must have been working on > finding a solution - you must have all the pieces to play with. Sometimes > the RH gives you the answer in a brilliant revelation, but sometimes it is > just a nagging feeling that someone is lying, or which decision to make. > Often times when we face a problem we must solve we ignore that little > voice, we overthink everything, and then the crystal-clear truth coming > with that RH 'first gut-instinct' get completely drowned out by the > analyzing eyes of the LH. In my humble opinion, I think I'm onto something > here and am always finding new evidence to incorporate. That is the point, > the LH creates and operates according to a model of reality consisting of > routinized behavior and systematic symbols and rules of the game; a model > which the RH updates when novel situations arise, or when it suddenly makes > a paradigm shift in our understanding of a problem in order to accomodate > the solution to that problem which it has found, usually when its 3am and > you're half asleep ..... > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:27 PM, ngriffis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ron wrote: "... The passions are rejected. Pirsig, on the other hand, > seems > > to place more importance on emotion and feeling as a guiding principle > > toward intellect." > > > > To shift Ron's meaning a bit, I wonder if the forum members would > > agree that Pirsig places importance on emotion and feeling as a guiding > > principle toward Dynamic Quality? Further, I would like to broach the > > subject of how one goes about seeking Dynamic Quality (DQ) in one's life. > > Let us hope that there are easier paths than insanity to reach DQ > insights > > :) > > > > I must say that I have benefitted, not from my own cutting edge > > thoughts, but have only been able to add quality to my life through the > > work > > of others. I have gained most of my insights into the static and DQs of > the > > world through reading. There is so much great knowledge in the world, but > > so > > few instruction books on how to effectively apply it to one's life. As a > > teacher, I see so much missing in this regard.... OK, I know I want more > DQ > > in my life, but how do I go about getting it? > > > > So, I hope that other members of the MOQ Forum will share any of > > the > > methods they have developed which allow them access to DQ insights that > > have > > bettered their lives. > > > > My best contribution comes from, I think, Warren Buffet, who is > > said > > to be one of the greatest investors of our time. One could call him a > > philosopher of investing. He and his partner, Charlie Munger have some > good > > insights in to Life, as well. Buffet talked about his "intuition", the > > source of that "intuition", and those feelings that led him to his great > > successes. He said, to paraphrase, "that intuition without great and > > hard-won experience is guessing and, more than not, runs you upon the > > rocks. > > Intuition becomes the leap of insight that is of value (DQ?) only after > > great study and experience." Why? I think it touches upon the idea that > > genius, in one form, is the ability to rearrange what is known and with a > > leap of insight, create a new and better form, something not imagined > > before. One's mind has nothing to work with unless it has been filled > with > > the wisdom and insights that have come before. Additionally, Charlie > Munger > > added that, in this day of specialization, the more fields one > accomplishes > > oneself in, perhaps the greater possibility of a synergy resulting in a > new > > and better transmutation...a transformative insight moving us from static > > to > > DQ. > > > > I would offer meditation as a path to DQ, but I have terrible > > discipline when it comes to sitting and also believe that Attention > Deficit > > Disorder keeps my meditations down to about a minute and a half. 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