Hi , Dan, All..... Well i'm done reading the book entirely, and i must admit that Mitchell is a great author.I love the book all the way.In fact it is good enough to read more of him. I think i will read Thousand autumns of Jacob De Zoet also, and i think The caracter you mentioned earlier in the thread about the doctor who mistreats him; in fact should be this Boerhaave the famous doctor?, the Boerhaave that appears in Cloud atlas is in this sense a reincarnation of the Boerhaave in Thousand Autumns,.... nice,the guy has his caracters in the fingers. Boerhaave is a common name here.(btw) I think the famous doctor is to be found on wiki,for his story.
I was occupied some days now, because my daughter had her knee replaced and a very good friend of us died a week ago.We attended his funeral yesterday.We took a vacation in Rome a year ago with him.He was Italian,and knowed every place in Rome.He showed us a pub next to villa Borghese, were Al Pacino sometimes comes to have a martini.Nice place ,al his picures on the wall there.The closest i can come to the godfather. I also downloaded Cloud Atles as movie, on my box, but i think its not a very good film, The script avoids all the real locations,like Bruges, and the letters from Zedelghem are left in the shadows,... pff. nope. I also finished Inferno. On the afterword Dan Brown thanks his Turkish historians for the storylines. I also found out that Mitchel as well for Thousend Autumns as for Cloud, lived in Holland for six months, and lived some time in Belgium also. The coming days i will also finish the Harry Mulish homily-- so , up for Autumns and Dejima. Adrie 2017-09-14 12:54 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]>: > Hi, Dan, all... > > Given the content of your last sentence,yes,i did some further reading to > the > end of the book , and it is thrue that a cluster of alter ego's appears > and vanishes again only to reappear in other chapters/essays,and story's > elsewhere.They really merge into previous characters. > The same pattern indeed that we can find in "Zen,..."and "Lila", where it > is not always very clear when Phaedrus,the narrator Pirsig and the > caracters are talking.Phaedrus is a master of disguise, as is Pirsig when > hiding in the alter ego. > There is a page somewhere in the book , where Mitchell uses the term New > England, but does not seem to project innuendo of any sort. > This guy is very sharp in his details,when he retakes the "letters from > Zedelgem", near the end of the book, he makes sure the first letter takes > of where the last of the early chapters left it, even to the > date.10/10/1931; is > about two weeks after the last was left behind. > Also it was very nice to find that when he left the diary of Ewing (first > exposure) , and used an unfinished sentence as lead-out, he uses the same > sentence as lead-in in for > the retake of the dairy of Ewing near the end.Just before he does, he > talks about Frobishers molecules , lingering around in his mind.Briljant!, > superb! > > Personally , i like the Cavendish caracter most,but that is a personal > feeling i guess.Very rational Brit writing like he is a freemason of > semantics. > This book contains more story's that a writer can think of.History itself > delivers them. That also apply's for 'inferno' of Dan Brown,that i > recommended,history and the geograpical setting that is chosen delivers a > part of the mystic content.I left it aside for now, need to read some other > things first. During my reading of the surroundings in Brugge,(bruges) and > Zedelgem(modern spelling), i visited the brugse reien virtually and > travelled > some of the streets via google earth,for the part about the "minnewater" > he mentions.Coming around that event , i found several entry's in wiki > talking about the castle of the Della Faille's on the border of the > "Minnewater". > This was not related to Mitchell's book , but de Della Faille's were the > big > landlords in my home town of Assenede,during medieval times, and i just > had to grab the story i found.Its a book on itself.But has nothing to do > with the Cloud Atlas. > > Brugge, (Bruges) is only 40 minutes driving from here btw.Most beautiful > town in Belgium, very clean and very historical.Very medieval.I know all > places in the book.Even the hotels are real.And the musea. > When artists are visiting Brugge they tend to become creative. > One can travel most of the canals here by boat, not expensive, its even > possible around Gent and in the city core of Gent proper itself in the > medieval channels.That is only 20 min's from my location here. > > Medieval centum Gent > > http://www.debootjesvangent.be/nl/stadsrondvaarten/het- > middeleeuwse-centrum-40-min > > 7 euro/person > > medieval centrum Brugge (Bruges) > > http://www.boottochten-brugge.be/ > > 8 euro/person > > also Gent to Bruges is possible. > > Have some fun.Adrie > > > > > > > > 2017-09-13 5:48 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > >> Hi Adrie, >> >> Glad you are enjoying Cloud Atlas. Yes I agree how David Mitchell does >> a stellar job with his characters and their settings. Oh. The Kona >> episode is written from the future tense and disregard this if you >> haven't made it through the entire book yet as it may contain >> spoilers: >> >> the dialect is I think meant to reflect a breakdown in social >> standards (and morality as well, thus the rather filthy and limp >> portrayal) in some unspecified but certainly not too distant point in >> time and it is set on the islands of what we today call Hawaii. This >> is I think a rather ingenious portrayal of social patterns devolving >> rather than evolving, the result of what we might term negative >> Quality. >> >> The point of view character starts as a young boy I believe of around >> 7 years old who unwittingly leads the Kona back to his camp where the >> barbarians slaughter his father and older brother while he hides in >> the forest. Later, the boy now grown meets with a newcomer to the >> island who might or might not be a relative and who might or might not >> be the reincarnated persona of earlier characters in the story. Note >> the comet-shaped birthmark. >> >> You might notice how David Mitchell uses reincarnation as a touchstone >> not only in Cloud Atlas but in all his stories. The same characters >> continually appear and reappear throughout his novels. You might even >> make the case how the boy is not only a descendant of one of the >> earlier characters in the book, the one who mistakenly believes he's >> been afflicted with a deadly parasite, but quite probably the >> reincarnated persona. The doctor who treats him (or rather mistreats) >> is relateable to a character from The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de >> Zoet and The Bone Clocks and is a traveler of an altogether different >> sort. >> >> The intermingling nature of the stories leads the reader up the hill >> and then back down again which I think is much like Robert Pirsig's >> two novels, ZMM leading us up and Lila taking us back down. Thus the >> mention of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in Cloud Atlas is >> I think no accident or whim of the author but instead what we might >> term a touchstone, a point on a map guiding us to a more expansive >> point of view. >> >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > I did some more reading today, Dan, and i have to say,the story's are >> > stunning.This writer is really far pitching.What took my attention most >> and >> > give me the feeling that i was walking around in alice's wonderland, is >> > that he went around the geographical timetable's to situate his >> caracters >> > in their locations. >> > When JR Ewing speaks , he uses the 1850 spelling of the Dutch /Flemish >> > language,when the letters of Zedelghem are spoken about, the author uses >> > the 1931 language spelling, as the story situates itself in..... etc, >> > brilliant!, he actually used words that i had to look up in the >> dictionary, >> > and i'm from around here.A particulair word,"verwaten", does nor even >> exist >> > anymore!;this is a very rare quality in a writer. >> > He actually writes some phrases in Western Flemish,like he is from >> around >> > there, dialect as they come. Superb. >> > >> > But i'm struggling with one of the story's. >> > He embeds a story about the Kona within the two orison articles(not >> written >> > as a chapter). It looks like an essay.But it is written in a sort of >> > Dutch and absolutely not Flemish dialect, that is so filthy and limp, >> and >> > idiotic that one can only find it around the big asocial city's like say >> > Rotterdam and Amsterdam.Extremely annoying.I do not understand why this >> is >> > written this way. >> > Struggle.... >> > >> > Adrie >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > parser >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.danglover.com >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
