Hi , Dan, All... I did not read much for this week. Came across a story in the book about Mulish's life, as letters from and to his mother were found in his dairies,telling to him , after she left Harry's father for the third time, that she was leaving for Amerika, destined for San Fransico.After some time there, and cleaning jobs she wrote Harry a letter that she met with henry Miller in Big Sur,to sleep there and do the dishes together; clearly a eufemism to something else, given the content of Tropic of Capricorn. Strange how some issue's come around again.Like Big Sur.
Oh , I wrote to inform you that Dan Browns new book will go on the market here upcoming tuesday , and the title is a surprise!!, =not given to the audience until then.Probably 'Origin' or 'source',....in Europe. Rumour has it that Brussels is embedded.Rumours! Adrie 2017-09-29 7:25 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > Hi Adrie, > > I believe if memory serves the doctor in question in Cloud Atlas is > Dr. Goose, which is most likely a nom de guerre for Dr. Marinus of The > Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet. At least in my opinion. If so, he > isn't exactly a reincarnation. I will leave that for you to decipher. > > I haven't seen the Cloud Atlas movie. Seems the book would be a > difficult one to translate to film. > > My condolences on the death of your friend. And best wishes for your > daughter's full recovery. > > Oh. I think I am up to chapter 61 in Dan Brown's Inferno. I will keep > you updated as to my progress. > > Thanks, Adrie! > > Dan > > On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi , Dan, All..... > > Well i'm done reading the book entirely, and i must admit that Mitchell > is > > a great author.I love the book all the way.In fact it is good enough to > > read more of him. > > I think i will read Thousand autumns of Jacob De Zoet also, and i think > The > > caracter you mentioned earlier in the thread about the doctor who > mistreats > > him; in fact should be this Boerhaave the famous doctor?, the Boerhaave > > that appears in Cloud atlas is in this sense a reincarnation of the > > Boerhaave in > > Thousand Autumns,.... nice,the guy has his caracters in the fingers. > > Boerhaave is a common name here.(btw) > > I think the famous doctor is to be found on wiki,for his story. > > > > I was occupied some days now, because my daughter had her knee replaced > > and a very good friend of us died a week ago.We attended his funeral > > yesterday.We took a vacation in Rome a year ago with him.He was > Italian,and > > knowed every place in Rome.He showed us a pub next to villa > > Borghese, were Al Pacino sometimes comes to have a martini.Nice place ,al > > his picures on the wall there.The closest i can come to the godfather. > > > > I also downloaded Cloud Atles as movie, on my box, but i think its not a > > very good film, The script avoids all the real locations,like Bruges, and > > the letters > > from Zedelghem are left in the shadows,... pff. nope. > > I also finished Inferno. > > On the afterword Dan Brown thanks his Turkish historians for the > storylines. > > I also found out that Mitchel as well for Thousend Autumns as for Cloud, > > lived in Holland for six months, and lived some time in Belgium also. > > > > The coming days i will also finish the Harry Mulish homily-- so , up for > > Autumns and Dejima. > > > > Adrie > > > > > > 2017-09-14 12:54 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]>: > > > >> Hi, Dan, all... > >> > >> Given the content of your last sentence,yes,i did some further reading > to > >> the > >> end of the book , and it is thrue that a cluster of alter ego's appears > >> and vanishes again only to reappear in other chapters/essays,and story's > >> elsewhere.They really merge into previous characters. > >> The same pattern indeed that we can find in "Zen,..."and "Lila", where > it > >> is not always very clear when Phaedrus,the narrator Pirsig and the > >> caracters are talking.Phaedrus is a master of disguise, as is Pirsig > when > >> hiding in the alter ego. > >> There is a page somewhere in the book , where Mitchell uses the term > New > >> England, but does not seem to project innuendo of any sort. > >> This guy is very sharp in his details,when he retakes the "letters from > >> Zedelgem", near the end of the book, he makes sure the first letter > takes > >> of where the last of the early chapters left it, even to the > >> date.10/10/1931; is > >> about two weeks after the last was left behind. > >> Also it was very nice to find that when he left the diary of Ewing > (first > >> exposure) , and used an unfinished sentence as lead-out, he uses the > same > >> sentence as lead-in in for > >> the retake of the dairy of Ewing near the end.Just before he does, he > >> talks about Frobishers molecules , lingering around in his > mind.Briljant!, > >> superb! > >> > >> Personally , i like the Cavendish caracter most,but that is a personal > >> feeling i guess.Very rational Brit writing like he is a freemason of > >> semantics. > >> This book contains more story's that a writer can think of.History > itself > >> delivers them. That also apply's for 'inferno' of Dan Brown,that i > >> recommended,history and the geograpical setting that is chosen delivers > a > >> part of the mystic content.I left it aside for now, need to read some > other > >> things first. During my reading of the surroundings in Brugge,(bruges) > and > >> Zedelgem(modern spelling), i visited the brugse reien virtually and > >> travelled > >> some of the streets via google earth,for the part about the "minnewater" > >> he mentions.Coming around that event , i found several entry's in wiki > >> talking about the castle of the Della Faille's on the border of the > >> "Minnewater". > >> This was not related to Mitchell's book , but de Della Faille's were the > >> big > >> landlords in my home town of Assenede,during medieval times, and i just > >> had to grab the story i found.Its a book on itself.But has nothing to do > >> with the Cloud Atlas. > >> > >> Brugge, (Bruges) is only 40 minutes driving from here btw.Most beautiful > >> town in Belgium, very clean and very historical.Very medieval.I know all > >> places in the book.Even the hotels are real.And the musea. > >> When artists are visiting Brugge they tend to become creative. > >> One can travel most of the canals here by boat, not expensive, its even > >> possible around Gent and in the city core of Gent proper itself in the > >> medieval channels.That is only 20 min's from my location here. > >> > >> Medieval centum Gent > >> > >> http://www.debootjesvangent.be/nl/stadsrondvaarten/het- > >> middeleeuwse-centrum-40-min > >> > >> 7 euro/person > >> > >> medieval centrum Brugge (Bruges) > >> > >> http://www.boottochten-brugge.be/ > >> > >> 8 euro/person > >> > >> also Gent to Bruges is possible. > >> > >> Have some fun.Adrie > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2017-09-13 5:48 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > >> > >>> Hi Adrie, > >>> > >>> Glad you are enjoying Cloud Atlas. Yes I agree how David Mitchell does > >>> a stellar job with his characters and their settings. Oh. The Kona > >>> episode is written from the future tense and disregard this if you > >>> haven't made it through the entire book yet as it may contain > >>> spoilers: > >>> > >>> the dialect is I think meant to reflect a breakdown in social > >>> standards (and morality as well, thus the rather filthy and limp > >>> portrayal) in some unspecified but certainly not too distant point in > >>> time and it is set on the islands of what we today call Hawaii. This > >>> is I think a rather ingenious portrayal of social patterns devolving > >>> rather than evolving, the result of what we might term negative > >>> Quality. > >>> > >>> The point of view character starts as a young boy I believe of around > >>> 7 years old who unwittingly leads the Kona back to his camp where the > >>> barbarians slaughter his father and older brother while he hides in > >>> the forest. Later, the boy now grown meets with a newcomer to the > >>> island who might or might not be a relative and who might or might not > >>> be the reincarnated persona of earlier characters in the story. Note > >>> the comet-shaped birthmark. > >>> > >>> You might notice how David Mitchell uses reincarnation as a touchstone > >>> not only in Cloud Atlas but in all his stories. The same characters > >>> continually appear and reappear throughout his novels. You might even > >>> make the case how the boy is not only a descendant of one of the > >>> earlier characters in the book, the one who mistakenly believes he's > >>> been afflicted with a deadly parasite, but quite probably the > >>> reincarnated persona. The doctor who treats him (or rather mistreats) > >>> is relateable to a character from The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de > >>> Zoet and The Bone Clocks and is a traveler of an altogether different > >>> sort. > >>> > >>> The intermingling nature of the stories leads the reader up the hill > >>> and then back down again which I think is much like Robert Pirsig's > >>> two novels, ZMM leading us up and Lila taking us back down. Thus the > >>> mention of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in Cloud Atlas is > >>> I think no accident or whim of the author but instead what we might > >>> term a touchstone, a point on a map guiding us to a more expansive > >>> point of view. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > I did some more reading today, Dan, and i have to say,the story's are > >>> > stunning.This writer is really far pitching.What took my attention > most > >>> and > >>> > give me the feeling that i was walking around in alice's wonderland, > is > >>> > that he went around the geographical timetable's to situate his > >>> caracters > >>> > in their locations. > >>> > When JR Ewing speaks , he uses the 1850 spelling of the Dutch > /Flemish > >>> > language,when the letters of Zedelghem are spoken about, the author > uses > >>> > the 1931 language spelling, as the story situates itself in..... etc, > >>> > brilliant!, he actually used words that i had to look up in the > >>> dictionary, > >>> > and i'm from around here.A particulair word,"verwaten", does nor even > >>> exist > >>> > anymore!;this is a very rare quality in a writer. > >>> > He actually writes some phrases in Western Flemish,like he is from > >>> around > >>> > there, dialect as they come. Superb. > >>> > > >>> > But i'm struggling with one of the story's. > >>> > He embeds a story about the Kona within the two orison articles(not > >>> written > >>> > as a chapter). It looks like an essay.But it is written in a sort of > >>> > Dutch and absolutely not Flemish dialect, that is so filthy and limp, > >>> and > >>> > idiotic that one can only find it around the big asocial city's like > say > >>> > Rotterdam and Amsterdam.Extremely annoying.I do not understand why > this > >>> is > >>> > written this way. > >>> > Struggle.... > >>> > > >>> > Adrie > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > parser > >>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> > Archives: > >>> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> http://www.danglover.com > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> parser > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > -- > http://www.danglover.com > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
