Hi Adrie, I believe if memory serves the doctor in question in Cloud Atlas is Dr. Goose, which is most likely a nom de guerre for Dr. Marinus of The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet. At least in my opinion. If so, he isn't exactly a reincarnation. I will leave that for you to decipher.
I haven't seen the Cloud Atlas movie. Seems the book would be a difficult one to translate to film. My condolences on the death of your friend. And best wishes for your daughter's full recovery. Oh. I think I am up to chapter 61 in Dan Brown's Inferno. I will keep you updated as to my progress. Thanks, Adrie! Dan On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi , Dan, All..... > Well i'm done reading the book entirely, and i must admit that Mitchell is > a great author.I love the book all the way.In fact it is good enough to > read more of him. > I think i will read Thousand autumns of Jacob De Zoet also, and i think The > caracter you mentioned earlier in the thread about the doctor who mistreats > him; in fact should be this Boerhaave the famous doctor?, the Boerhaave > that appears in Cloud atlas is in this sense a reincarnation of the > Boerhaave in > Thousand Autumns,.... nice,the guy has his caracters in the fingers. > Boerhaave is a common name here.(btw) > I think the famous doctor is to be found on wiki,for his story. > > I was occupied some days now, because my daughter had her knee replaced > and a very good friend of us died a week ago.We attended his funeral > yesterday.We took a vacation in Rome a year ago with him.He was Italian,and > knowed every place in Rome.He showed us a pub next to villa > Borghese, were Al Pacino sometimes comes to have a martini.Nice place ,al > his picures on the wall there.The closest i can come to the godfather. > > I also downloaded Cloud Atles as movie, on my box, but i think its not a > very good film, The script avoids all the real locations,like Bruges, and > the letters > from Zedelghem are left in the shadows,... pff. nope. > I also finished Inferno. > On the afterword Dan Brown thanks his Turkish historians for the storylines. > I also found out that Mitchel as well for Thousend Autumns as for Cloud, > lived in Holland for six months, and lived some time in Belgium also. > > The coming days i will also finish the Harry Mulish homily-- so , up for > Autumns and Dejima. > > Adrie > > > 2017-09-14 12:54 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]>: > >> Hi, Dan, all... >> >> Given the content of your last sentence,yes,i did some further reading to >> the >> end of the book , and it is thrue that a cluster of alter ego's appears >> and vanishes again only to reappear in other chapters/essays,and story's >> elsewhere.They really merge into previous characters. >> The same pattern indeed that we can find in "Zen,..."and "Lila", where it >> is not always very clear when Phaedrus,the narrator Pirsig and the >> caracters are talking.Phaedrus is a master of disguise, as is Pirsig when >> hiding in the alter ego. >> There is a page somewhere in the book , where Mitchell uses the term New >> England, but does not seem to project innuendo of any sort. >> This guy is very sharp in his details,when he retakes the "letters from >> Zedelgem", near the end of the book, he makes sure the first letter takes >> of where the last of the early chapters left it, even to the >> date.10/10/1931; is >> about two weeks after the last was left behind. >> Also it was very nice to find that when he left the diary of Ewing (first >> exposure) , and used an unfinished sentence as lead-out, he uses the same >> sentence as lead-in in for >> the retake of the dairy of Ewing near the end.Just before he does, he >> talks about Frobishers molecules , lingering around in his mind.Briljant!, >> superb! >> >> Personally , i like the Cavendish caracter most,but that is a personal >> feeling i guess.Very rational Brit writing like he is a freemason of >> semantics. >> This book contains more story's that a writer can think of.History itself >> delivers them. That also apply's for 'inferno' of Dan Brown,that i >> recommended,history and the geograpical setting that is chosen delivers a >> part of the mystic content.I left it aside for now, need to read some other >> things first. During my reading of the surroundings in Brugge,(bruges) and >> Zedelgem(modern spelling), i visited the brugse reien virtually and >> travelled >> some of the streets via google earth,for the part about the "minnewater" >> he mentions.Coming around that event , i found several entry's in wiki >> talking about the castle of the Della Faille's on the border of the >> "Minnewater". >> This was not related to Mitchell's book , but de Della Faille's were the >> big >> landlords in my home town of Assenede,during medieval times, and i just >> had to grab the story i found.Its a book on itself.But has nothing to do >> with the Cloud Atlas. >> >> Brugge, (Bruges) is only 40 minutes driving from here btw.Most beautiful >> town in Belgium, very clean and very historical.Very medieval.I know all >> places in the book.Even the hotels are real.And the musea. >> When artists are visiting Brugge they tend to become creative. >> One can travel most of the canals here by boat, not expensive, its even >> possible around Gent and in the city core of Gent proper itself in the >> medieval channels.That is only 20 min's from my location here. >> >> Medieval centum Gent >> >> http://www.debootjesvangent.be/nl/stadsrondvaarten/het- >> middeleeuwse-centrum-40-min >> >> 7 euro/person >> >> medieval centrum Brugge (Bruges) >> >> http://www.boottochten-brugge.be/ >> >> 8 euro/person >> >> also Gent to Bruges is possible. >> >> Have some fun.Adrie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2017-09-13 5:48 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: >> >>> Hi Adrie, >>> >>> Glad you are enjoying Cloud Atlas. Yes I agree how David Mitchell does >>> a stellar job with his characters and their settings. Oh. The Kona >>> episode is written from the future tense and disregard this if you >>> haven't made it through the entire book yet as it may contain >>> spoilers: >>> >>> the dialect is I think meant to reflect a breakdown in social >>> standards (and morality as well, thus the rather filthy and limp >>> portrayal) in some unspecified but certainly not too distant point in >>> time and it is set on the islands of what we today call Hawaii. This >>> is I think a rather ingenious portrayal of social patterns devolving >>> rather than evolving, the result of what we might term negative >>> Quality. >>> >>> The point of view character starts as a young boy I believe of around >>> 7 years old who unwittingly leads the Kona back to his camp where the >>> barbarians slaughter his father and older brother while he hides in >>> the forest. Later, the boy now grown meets with a newcomer to the >>> island who might or might not be a relative and who might or might not >>> be the reincarnated persona of earlier characters in the story. Note >>> the comet-shaped birthmark. >>> >>> You might notice how David Mitchell uses reincarnation as a touchstone >>> not only in Cloud Atlas but in all his stories. The same characters >>> continually appear and reappear throughout his novels. You might even >>> make the case how the boy is not only a descendant of one of the >>> earlier characters in the book, the one who mistakenly believes he's >>> been afflicted with a deadly parasite, but quite probably the >>> reincarnated persona. The doctor who treats him (or rather mistreats) >>> is relateable to a character from The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de >>> Zoet and The Bone Clocks and is a traveler of an altogether different >>> sort. >>> >>> The intermingling nature of the stories leads the reader up the hill >>> and then back down again which I think is much like Robert Pirsig's >>> two novels, ZMM leading us up and Lila taking us back down. Thus the >>> mention of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in Cloud Atlas is >>> I think no accident or whim of the author but instead what we might >>> term a touchstone, a point on a map guiding us to a more expansive >>> point of view. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I did some more reading today, Dan, and i have to say,the story's are >>> > stunning.This writer is really far pitching.What took my attention most >>> and >>> > give me the feeling that i was walking around in alice's wonderland, is >>> > that he went around the geographical timetable's to situate his >>> caracters >>> > in their locations. >>> > When JR Ewing speaks , he uses the 1850 spelling of the Dutch /Flemish >>> > language,when the letters of Zedelghem are spoken about, the author uses >>> > the 1931 language spelling, as the story situates itself in..... etc, >>> > brilliant!, he actually used words that i had to look up in the >>> dictionary, >>> > and i'm from around here.A particulair word,"verwaten", does nor even >>> exist >>> > anymore!;this is a very rare quality in a writer. >>> > He actually writes some phrases in Western Flemish,like he is from >>> around >>> > there, dialect as they come. Superb. >>> > >>> > But i'm struggling with one of the story's. >>> > He embeds a story about the Kona within the two orison articles(not >>> written >>> > as a chapter). It looks like an essay.But it is written in a sort of >>> > Dutch and absolutely not Flemish dialect, that is so filthy and limp, >>> and >>> > idiotic that one can only find it around the big asocial city's like say >>> > Rotterdam and Amsterdam.Extremely annoying.I do not understand why this >>> is >>> > written this way. >>> > Struggle.... >>> > >>> > Adrie >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > parser >>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> > Archives: >>> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.danglover.com >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> parser >> > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
