Quoting Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > What in your opinion is the meaning of a random, chaotic universe? Pirsig > says its meaning is to become better. > > [Case] > By having an opinion on the matter I inject meaning into the universe. By > striving to stay alive and reproduce I inject the universe with purpose. My > purpose is to make things better but I see no evidence that the universe > really cares.
Well, if you consider other people part of the universe, and they care about you, it appears at least that part of the universe cares after all. If that's so, one wonders about the source of this "caring" business and that perhaps it was built in to the universe from the beginning. After all, among living organisms there's a lot of caring going on out there. > [Platt] > Where do you observe in any model of human behavior the modeler's own > consciousness? When you find out how to put yourself in the modeler's head, > please let us know. > > [Case] > I have a model of human behavior that includes my own consciousness. Don't > you? No. I have no model of human behavior. I have no idea why some people behave the way they do. For instance, I'll never figure out why liberals behave like liberals. :-) Anyway, who is it that examines your own consciousness? > [Platt] > Have you ever awaken in the morning to find the present not there? Even when > thinking about the past or asleep, we're in the present. Unless you have > figured out a way to time travel. > > [Case] > I always find the present wherever I am but it is always different. As long as you always find the present there, I'm satisfied. > I am > also able to travel in time. I always think of this as moving forward at a > fairly constant rate and always into the present. If I were able to move > say, backwards in time I would find myself in a different present but still > the present for me. But the present is always changing. I have mental random > access to time. I can remember the past and imagine the future. In those > cases the past too is always different than it was and my vision of the > future is likewise in a constant state of flux. Yes, "imagination is funny, it makes a cloudy day sunny, makes a bee think of honey . . ." -- oops, a little song lyric there. Sorry. Mental machinations occur in the present, no matter where or to what period of time they might carry you. > [Platt] > What form of energy or matter is found in a thought? If your answer is > psychic energy, I'll happily eliminate this paradox from my list. :-) > > [Case] > I tend to think it is electro-chemical energy. But if calling it psychic > will help you cross it off your list, feel free to do so. Does science recognize that thoughts are a form of electro-chemical energy? I always thought they recognized just four basic forces -- atomic, electromagnetic, strong and weak. Can I assume you're OK with adding psychic force to this list? ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
