[Case]
> are you defending Micah here or is there a point of your own you would like 
> to make?
> Because if there is a point of your own in here some place maybe you could 
> start over and we could
> discuss it. 

Both.  I don't see the point of starting over, but if it makes it easier for 
you, I will.

[Micah] 
> Nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans.

[Case] 
 > You [Micah] are advocating some weird brand of solipsism. 

 [Case] 
> Micah's statement is a tautology in its own right. 

Case,
My point: your position is that Micah's statement is tautological & advocates 
solipsism.  If you--finding it tautological--agree with Micah's statement, how 
do you avoid advocating solipsism?
Craig 
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