Hi
> BTW Magnus, further to my earlier response .... I've now looked at
> that D:Wave link. I see that the D:Wave people are using hardware
> based on Josephson Junction technology.
>
> Brian Josephson is another person I've linked to many times
> (corresponded and met). Since his Nobel prize for the "JJ" work he has
> been running a "Mind-Matter Unification Project" in Cambridge, UK, and
> has been involved with Hery Stapp in the "Science of Consciousness"
> and "Quantum Mind" conferences at Tucson, Az, along with the Penrose's
> and Hammeroff's of this world, ....
Well, I'm not sure consciousness was the first thing I thought about, even if I
did read "The Quantum Self" by Dana Zohar. Perhaps I'll follow the links you
mentioned some day.
But since it came up, I'd like to start by addressing Bo's concern, you wrote:
> Is it "computer awareness" you hint to? That the machines
> themselves will start asking philosophical questions? I am as little
> endeared by this as always and - again - I "accuse" you (all) of
> not understanding the MOQ. Consciousness along with mind has
> no place in it. Human beings are what they self-congratulatorily
> calls "self-conscious" because they have arrived at the level that
> has the conscious subject as different from the unconscious
> object as its value. There is as much consciousness at the social
> level, only it hasn't conscious/unconscious as its value.
That's a hard one, especially since my reply will probably open up a whole
snake
pit of unresolved issues.
My understanding of what we call consciousness does require intellectual
patterns, but that doesn't rule out animals, or even plants. Is this the reason
you say there's consciousness at the social level? That you don't want to
single
out humans as being the sole conscious being?
I have also a little hard time understanding why you say that consciousness and
mind have no place in the MoQ? They are two very real concepts for most people,
and the MoQ must not just strike the Ostrich pose and stick its head in the
sand, it must at least explain them, but in MoQeese.
BTW, the self-prefix (before conscious) makes it a completely different beast.
Perhaps that could be discussed in another thread? Conscious vs self-conscious.
To go back to the quantum computer, I once wrote that today's digital computers
are never going to be really intelligent (and by that I mean human
intelligence,
smartness, intuition, ingenious) because they are stripped from any dynamic
influence. In fact, the very idea of today's computers is to be exact and being
able to calculate the same operations identically over and over again. On the
other hand, a quantum computer (at least the core of it) is not digital. It
will
be able to be influenced by DQ and will eventually get the same chance to
develop what we call consciousness as humans and animals.
Magnus
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