Hey x! So, glad to hear from you!
[x]
> One thing has become
> abundantly clear is "certainty" is relative at
> best. I would venture that those who point out
"mysticism"
> Are "eventualists" that they believe that the
> universe Will eventully be knowable with
certainty(*note
> faith involved) where as us "mystics" are pretty
comfortable with
> the Idea that "certainty " will never be achieved
and choose to
> focus Subjectivly rather than get caught up with
> objective certainty.
So, your saying mysticism is faith based? That's
how spirituality and/or mysticism (I see no
difference) is understood in Zen, Amerindians, and the
MoQ? Aren't we basically saying, then, that life is
mystic? Science can identify 'things' well (to use
the contemporary truth finder), but science is still
faith based. Faith can be strong, no doubt. A zen
archer shows how zen is accurate, practical, and
living. Science can point out a proton is accurately,
practical, and living. So, science is spiritual?
Spiritual just means faith-based?
[x]
> MOQ "mysticism" here is embracing the unknowable
Yes, the known is static, but static doesn't mean
lasting forever.
[x]
> Some liken it to "faith" but no matter how you slice
> it And no matter what you slice it with there is
> allways A degree of "faith" involved with
speculation at any
> level No one here can argue that at the core of
their
> philosophy There is'nt at least one point where it
rests on the
> faith Of the subject.
> I mean we are dealing with the term Quality" here
> folks. How hard and scientific can you get with it.
> We're all "mystics" to some point.
> I think we can see past all the fancy
> Self important psuedosciencePhilsopho-speak.
> That's what gives MOQ it's uniqueness.
I find the living aspect of 'living philosophy'
important in my life now. This includes the saying
wisdom is knowledge in action. The education system
currently is nonapplication prone. At least it was
when I went to school. The difficult question for me
has always been what will I be able to do with this
education. This is always the looming question at the
end of high school and universities life. Vocational
Technical schools yield skillful people. Yet, many
people go the way of college/university. Yet,
sometimes I wonder if maybe I should just be a
plumber. Time alone, people appreciate what you do,
water's necessary, sewage outlets is necessary, and
the hands on experience is allowing a philosophy is
live somewhere. That's one aspect of my work I don't
mind. The first hand experience, but the work is not
very physically demanding and I think it would be
healthy to be involved in physical activity often.
Thus, my job creates inactivity, a tension, where I
try to make up for the lose while I'm not working.
[x]
> I heard a Roshi say this once "zen is like soap,
> first you wash with it
> Then you wash it off"
Yeah, back to the basics where Zen is not some
kind of WOW 'out of this world' event. It's just
ordinary plumbing.
SA
P.S. I'd have to go back to school for another
degree. This would be my third time going back to
school for something else. First, massage therapy,
second anthropology, and if I could, third might be
plumbing. Just think if society didn't need pipes,
I'd dig irrigation ditches. If no irrigation ditches
were needed, I'd still have a job. I'd be getting
water at the creek to bring back to camp. My
grandmother and father always told me to get a
practical job, pick up a skill. Massage therapy was
this skill, but it is too physically demanding to meet
the $ needs where I live. Around here, massage
therapist usually only last for about 7 years, unless
one opens their own business, hires other therapists,
so one wouldn't have to massage as much alone. I've
never been too business savy to get into the economic
end of a business, but then again, economics is
practical and I've been more in my head than hands on
until the last decade of my life. Started with
backpacking, I believe, well, anyways...
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