Hello Arlo. > [Kevin] > What I saw in those eight definitions was language that spoke to human > experience. I saw nothing that would lead a person to understand that > experience was anything other than personal. > > [Arlo] > Which would make you a subjectivist. If Quality does not exist prior to > bio-social patterns, we are back to SOM. A subject "experiences" a value-less > world. Because you can't have value without experience. And if we hold that > there are inorganic patterns of value, then there must be inorganic value > experience. Thanks Arlo. This explains it. When I was younger and full of piss and vinegar I was incorrigible I would dream of flying and fighting crime, like Superman. I'm sure this was partly the result of my mother's encouraging words, "you can do anything you set your mind to do." Of course she was right to lift me up this way. But what she didn't know and what I would learn the hard way is that lifting oneself up by one's boot straps is no way to realize the best in life. I've come to realize that the best things in life have absolutely nothing to do with any rational understanding of how things work or which philosophy, religion or beliefs a person chooses to affirm or deny. The best things in life are our relationships with one another, nature and the things that encourage and make these relationships possible. Arguments about whether this or that perspective on the MOQ is the right one and whether this or that approach leads back to SOM is a waste of time, imo. From the outside they have the same apperance as those religious arguments that attempt to prove which side god is on or that attempt to define morality in terms of actions and objective behavior rather than desire and intent. From the inside their only affect is to leave a person feeling empty and cold. ARRRGGGHHH!!! Pirsig said, "man is the measure of all things." I say, small children, mentally retarded people, crones, curmudgeons, the poor and the destitute are the best measure of the best things.
Kevin PS: Arguments about whether this or that perspective on the MOQ is the right one and whether this or that approach leads back to SOM are not about Quality. They are about SOM, imo. --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
