[Platt] The electron in the rock experiences, but not the rock which you have claimed. If you had said that electrons experience gravity I would have agreed.
[Arlo] I'm not sure what the difference is in saying that all the particles of the rock experience gravity, and the rock experiences gravity. This would be like saying the human body does not experience gravity, but all of its cells do. [Platt] Since "all of nature" consists of particles, atoms, and molecules which experience as demonstrated by their presence in organisms, I don't see your problem. [Arlo] Fair enough. I thought your point was that only particles that are actively part of a human brain experience. I was wrong, and it appears we are closer in agreement that I had thought. :-) [Platt] I certainly see intent towards higher Quality, greater morality. If not, what's the hierarchy all about? [Arlo] This, basically. 100 million years ago, was there a design to create man? 100 billion years ago? Where? And if there was no pre-design, then I can't see how anything better than "AHA! That's better!" explains man's existence. [Platt] You said it, "That's better." And you called it an "advance." The implication that DQ is force for good is clear, "the ongoing free force of life." [Arlo] Sure. I just don't think the "advance" was "planned". The world got by for hundreds of millions of years without "man". Our being here is no more special than platypi being here. We have better skills, sure, but the fact that we exist is no more intended than the existence of the platypus. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
