Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Now it gets sticky. If it is true, what you and Bo argue, that intellect _is_ > SOM, then how can intellect EVER morally dominate society? And, if it can't, > why put it above society in the moral hierarchy? > > In other words, it is not just modern intellect that is SOM, but ALL intellect > by definition. Why would we have a moral hierarchy where biology should > dominate inorganic, society should dominate biology, but intellect can be > dismissed? Can you envision an intellectual level that is NOT SOM?
Yes, an intellect that accepts the MOQ -- that the world is a world of values. > [Platt] > Sorry, I don't follow you. You seem to think intellect is necessary for > responses to DQ? Is that what you're saying? > > [Arlo] > No. What I am trying to ask is, if you argue AGAINST intellectually dominated > society for the reason that it "shuts to door to DQ", then why not make the > same argument against socially dominated biology? Why is "leaving the door > open > to DQ" so important on the social level but unimportant (and moreso, actively > "bad") on the biological level? Did I say an intellectually dominated society "shuts the door to DQ?" I don't remember. In fact, I don't think DQ has much if any influence any more at the biological or social levels. > [Platt] > Because, to repeat, modern intellect has no place for morals. > > [Arlo] > So you disagree with Bo that intellect is ipso facto S/O? No, I agree with Bo. Modern intellect is S/O intellect. > [Arlo] > See, we are not so unalike. :-) ... keeping in mind it probably a fool's quest > to think we can predict where a Dynamic Revolution will lead us, and DMB valid > finger-wagging at my too closely associating "art" with "DQ", of course. I too associate art with DQ. And so does Pirsig. "But the Metaphysics of Quality also says that Dynamic Qualitythe value-force that chooses an elegant mathematical solution to a laborious one, or a brilliant experiment over a confusing, inconclusive oneis another matter altogether." (Lila, 29) ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
