>Mati: Perhaps I reading into this, but are you saying that real >intellect has no dualistic perspective. I guess here is a question for >you and the group, is it possible to have an intellect value that isn't
>part of a dualistic understanding of reality? Marsh: I was suggesting that one can have a direct, nondualistic experience that is prior to, or separate from, intellect. But then when you try to think or talk about it, you get tangled in the culture's dualistic static pattern of value. It seems to me that intellect coexists with language, and in the West they are both predicated on a subject/object point-of-view. I've wondered about your question too. Maybe there are non-Western cultures that are not built on dualistic understanding. Poetry is often non-dualistic. Right? Native American? I would love to here from other too. Ron: I think you were right on from the beginning. I feel the term "non-dualistic culture" itself is a contradiction In terms. But In the Japanese martial arts, zazen is practiced in combat. It Utilizes the pre-intellectual experience to be a more profiecent swordsman. Intellect in the Heat of combat costs you your life that is not to say that intellect is discouraged it is that The wise know when to use it and when not to. This is one thing that has surprised me about The MOQ. That more attention has not been paid to how the martial arts utilizes pre-intellect And has done so for hundreds of years. The higher martial arts refer to it as formless form. A kinda corny but applicable example is Bruce lee. He was a huge advocate of pre-intellectual awareness. His last film "Game of Death" is about how formless form is used to defeat a heirarchy, he wears a yellow Jumpsuit to denote this formlessness and pragmatic fighting style which adapts to each situation, an intellctual form can not do this and thus is vunerable. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
