Marsha, MV: I was suggesting that one can have a direct, nondualistic experience that is prior to, or separate from, intellect. But then when you try to think or talk about it, you get tangled in the culture's dualistic static pattern of value.
Mati: Bingo!!!!, and this analysis of the dualistic static pattern of value is the basis for philosophy. And when this static pattern is used to define reality from a rational context we have intellect. Now this pattern may seem cold and .... static, but.... I has also given us the capacity to come full circle and allow us to recognize the undivided reality of the moon being the moon. MV: It seems to me that intellect coexists with language, snip.... Mati: As it does with the social values. MV: ... and in the West they are both predicated on a subject/object point-of-view. I've wondered about your question too. Maybe there are non-Western cultures that are not built on dualistic understanding. Poetry is often non-dualistic. Right? Native American? I would love to here from other too. Mati: Sure there are non-dualistic experiences, poetry, art, etc. however as you perhaps elude to understanding requires definition and definition requires a dualistic capacity to establish meaning that is philosophy. Just as the moon is just the moon, philosophy is just philosophy, a beauty all in its own. Mati moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
