Quoting Dan Glover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yes there is conflict yet we must take care, as Robert Pirsig points out: > > "Intellect is going its own way, and in doing so is at war with society, > seeking to subjugate society, to put society under lock and key. An > evolutionary morality says it is moral for intellect to do so, but it also > contains a warning: Just as a society that weakens its people's physical > health endangers its own stability, so does an intellectual pattern that > weakens and destroys the health of its social base also endanger its own > stability." (LILA)
Agree. However, the conflict between levels is a moral conflict -- should an intellectual doctor murder harmful biological germs, etc? [Dan] > The MOQ is based on morality, not some obscure kind of morality all its own > but the morality we were taught as children... to do onto others as we would > have them do onto us. Or at least, do no harm. Would you agree? Disagree. For the MOQ morality extends beyond how to get along with your neighbors. It is the whole thing, from patterns of particles to patterns of people and beyond. Reality -- all of it -- is morality. Pirsig has redefined the term. > >Platt: > >Thus, the MOQ posits a disembodied "pure experience" as the essence > >of reality. Moreover, this "pure experience" is the same as Quality which > >is the same as Morality. And to the question, "Experience by whom or > >what?" the answer appears to be "Don't ask, because the only possible > >answer has to be expressed in words that divide what is essentially > >indivisible." > > Dan: > Since we know the answer already there is no need to ask, imo. An answer that will not satisfy most I'm afraid. > >Platt: > >So I basically agree with your interpretation of how Buddhism and the MOQ > >view the self or individual. But if all this be true, how in the world do > >you convince the Douglas Hofstadters of the world who claim "I am a > >strange loop."??? > > Dan: > I would suggest that their cups of tea are full. One cannot pour more tea > into a full cup. That's not to say Hofstadter is wrong, however. We are > probably comparing apples with oranges, so to speak. The contexts from which > we are writing are different although I suspect they are more similar than > one might see at first glance. > > >Platt: > >Or forget Hofstadter, how do I explain it to my 12 > >year old granddaughter? > > Dan: > Love has worked well for me. I'm unsure anything else matters. I don't think my granddaughter will be convinced when I try to explain she has no self because I love her. But, I'll give it a try. Thanks, Platt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
