Case, Platt, I know this is lengthy but I'm attempting to catch up with both of your posts over The weekend. To begin to have an understanding of reality we must not only define the problem But it's conditions as well. Both matter and energy are reflections of the same Thing, call it "existence". Theory postulates that there are three forms of existence, Matter space and energy. Energy is expressed as motion or change. The two are synonomous Especially on the sub-molecular level. Energy refers to time for niether motion nor change May be expressed but as a funtion of time. We want to study "existence" but because we are made of matter, live in space and are moved By energy, the problem is considerable.
We are what we are trying to study, matter interacts with matter, energy interacts with energy. Both interact with each other and both have effect on space. Energy therefore is the expressed difference between two states of existence. Dynamic and static are terms that relate to the Moq. And work well when defining energy In its' forms. Therefore, we cannot use a medium to act apon itself and expect anything but modulations Of that medium. Reality is that external system of influences which come filtered through ones sensory Inputs as perceptions. It is also that system of inputs which are beyond the sensory range And therefore seem unreal subjectivly. When one uses the term religeon they are referring to one of two distinctions., either Objective or subjective. An objective morality system, one that corresponds to the true nature And percievable-as-true nature of reality as close to reality as can be technologically Percieved, is the goal of science. Subjective morality should not be used as a basis for objective truth, for who is to say If the "something" that is felt by a mystic experience is merely self induced like A drug trip?. There are great numbers of drug users who claim spritiual insights as a result. There are also the faith healers who induce histeria and frenzy into their audiences So they may experience the "hand of god". To them god is little more than a meaningful high. The subjective experience is a self-induced chemical imbalance varying in degree and effect Of the individual. It does not bear anymore relation to god than a drug induced chemical Imbalance. If the mystic experiences were truly a key to god then the drug induced experience Should also contain that key hence it should be sceintifically testable. The subjective is Therefore doubted because it can niether be passed down nor proven nor measured or tested. Heraticus stated that all is flux, an ever constant state of opposites. Paramindes rationalized that this change is constant, perpetual and infinate With niether beginning nor end. Plato concluded that it was "thought" which is the most static and stable, and what Is "thought" but a form of energy? Does "conciousness" constitute energy "aware" of Itself? Again, Therefore, we cannot use a medium to act apon itself and expect anything but modulations Of that medium. The mirror effect Case mentioned. The "loop". "Awareness" seems to be a moebius loop Of the interplay of the energy between subjective and objective reality. Therefore this loop will manifest in the very form that is used to define itself. Without exception. So, using subjective awareness to find objective truth will result in a loop every time Knowing this, new ways should be explored to evolve sensory inputs that use the detection Of spacial distortion rather than energy emission and reflection. Or any other method Of detection of phenomena other than the use of energy. -Ron moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
