Hi Case/Ham Some of this reminds me of Deleuze:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deleuze MOQers will find some familiar suggestions. David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Case" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Art of Value >> [Case] >> Ok so are you saying that there is no external reality? >> I mean there are physicists who say our individual witnessing >> of events bring the events into being. > > [Ham] > Yes. John Wheeler and Andrei Linde are two of them, and Neils Bohr > planted > the seeds of phenomenalism with his theory of Complementarity. > > [Case] > Wiki says phemonmenalism goes back to Berkley and Kant. It mentions > Russell > and Mach. But it seems to predate Bohr and I do not at all see how it > relates to Wheeler. Wheeler's many worlds proposal would not claim there > is > no external reality in any case. > > Are you a phenonmenalist? Of what stripe? > > [Ham] > But let me be clear about my ontology. > > [Case] >>From what follows I have to question whether we can even share the same > definition of "clear". > > [Ham} > All reality is "external" in the sense that we are conditionally separated > from it. > > [Case] > There is the world of private experience that is not separated from us. > > [Ham] > Finite existence is a Nothingness/Otherness dichotomy held together by > value-sensibility. > > [Case] > I would say finite existence is a static pattern of values. By that I > would > mean it is a set of relationships that have a highly probability of > remaining constant. > > [Ham] > Our reality is Otherness, and we are "the hole of nothingness" in it. > > [Case] > I think it is exactly not that. Our reality is completely Us. That is each > individual creates a unique internal representation of reality. This > includes memories and an organizational structure. Collectively we create > a > shared reality which is culture. > > [Ham] > What makes us beings-aware is the Otherness that we sense as Value. > > [Case] > What makes us aware is our nervous system. Values are largely perceptual, > or > sensations informed by past experience. > > [Ham] > When Value is divided by Nothingness, Difference emerges and reality > appears > as objectified. > > [Case] > Dividing by Zero produces and error. With regards to perception and Value > formation, being able to detect difference is on equal footing with being > able to detect similarity. > > [Ham] > That's why we perceive (i.e., create) reality as multiplistic and > relational > rather than as One. > > [Case] > We are able to recognize relationships and conceive of reality > multiplistically because of our memories. Our ability to slip and slide > back > and forth in time is called imagination. > > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
