> [Case] > Ok so are you saying that there is no external reality? > I mean there are physicists who say our individual witnessing > of events bring the events into being.
[Ham] Yes. John Wheeler and Andrei Linde are two of them, and Neils Bohr planted the seeds of phenomenalism with his theory of Complementarity. [Case] Wiki says phemonmenalism goes back to Berkley and Kant. It mentions Russell and Mach. But it seems to predate Bohr and I do not at all see how it relates to Wheeler. Wheeler's many worlds proposal would not claim there is no external reality in any case. Are you a phenonmenalist? Of what stripe? [Ham] But let me be clear about my ontology. [Case] >From what follows I have to question whether we can even share the same definition of "clear". [Ham} All reality is "external" in the sense that we are conditionally separated from it. [Case] There is the world of private experience that is not separated from us. [Ham] Finite existence is a Nothingness/Otherness dichotomy held together by value-sensibility. [Case] I would say finite existence is a static pattern of values. By that I would mean it is a set of relationships that have a highly probability of remaining constant. [Ham] Our reality is Otherness, and we are "the hole of nothingness" in it. [Case] I think it is exactly not that. Our reality is completely Us. That is each individual creates a unique internal representation of reality. This includes memories and an organizational structure. Collectively we create a shared reality which is culture. [Ham] What makes us beings-aware is the Otherness that we sense as Value. [Case] What makes us aware is our nervous system. Values are largely perceptual, or sensations informed by past experience. [Ham] When Value is divided by Nothingness, Difference emerges and reality appears as objectified. [Case] Dividing by Zero produces and error. With regards to perception and Value formation, being able to detect difference is on equal footing with being able to detect similarity. [Ham] That's why we perceive (i.e., create) reality as multiplistic and relational rather than as One. [Case] We are able to recognize relationships and conceive of reality multiplistically because of our memories. Our ability to slip and slide back and forth in time is called imagination. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
