> [Ant]
> Case has also made some good points (e.g. having too much
> individual freedom could put us back in the cave)

[Craig]
If this is an allusion to Plato, I didn't get it.
  
[Case]
No the allusion was to the habitat of Great X 1000 Granddaddy Ugga. My
allusions to Plato have been more or less that the man was blinded by the
light.

With reference to your libertarian sentiments there is this from Robert
Nozick's The Examined Life: "The libertarian position I once propounded now
seems to me seriously inadequate, in part because it did not fully knit the
humane considerations and joint cooperative activities it left room for more
closely into its fabric."

Concerning taxation and the expenditure for your tax dollars for programs
you personally do not support he says this:

"To be sure, this public affirmation is not simply verbal; those spoken for
may have to pay taxes to help support the programs it involves. (That a fig
leaf was created to cover the shame of their unconcern does not mean they do
not have to help pay for it.) The complete absence of any symbolic public
expression and marking of caring and solidarity would leave the rest of us
bereft of a society validating human relatedness."

You may well say Nozick has backslidden. I would prefer to think he has
woken up. 

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