> > [Case]
> > It was a long and hard battle to finally discredit Aristotle's
> > absurd notion of final cause. "Oops" is merely a modern refinement
> > in this process. Regression into a search for imaginary future
> > perfect states is not so much hope for an explanation as it is a
form a psychosis.
>
> [Platt]
> Lots of very intelligence people disagree with your diagnosis. But,
> they could be wrong.
>
> [Case]
> Three that come to mind are you, Ham and Ken Wilber. You generally go
> straight to the wishful thinking argument that the idea is just
> disturbing and unsatisfying. Ham loads on a pile of meaningless
> terminology in the hope of talking it to death. Wilber confronts it
> head one but only avoids it by positing some kind of supernatural
> consciousness and appealing directly to animism and teleology.
>
> There is nothing to stop you from being wrong if you wish but it would
> be nice if you could rationalize your choice a little better than
> appealing to something as vague as "lots of very intelligent people".
[Platt]
Did you deliberately omit Pirsig?
[Case]
It was not totally deliberate. Are you suggesting I have not been clear
enough often enough about my disagreement with him on this point? But if
this is intended as an argument from authority on your part it is still
lame.
[Ron]
I was unaware that Pirsig made any such distinction..right off the top
o'me head ..
He had said Quality was responsible for everything, every last bit.
Which he terms
Quality as a "Value" set. He said that SOM falls prey to a priori
concepts of
Pre-intellectual simplification. We see pattern and form because that is
what our
Brain does, to know this and place more focus on experience and avoid
the SOM
Pre-conception gumption traps, is the cornerstone of MOQ or so I
interpret.
Having said this, to assume Pirsig means "Value" and "betterness" termed
as
Meaning to lead to an end or begininng or any other Pre-concieved ideal
in
My opinion seems to be a bit of a misinterpretation of his message.
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