[Ron] Only when we can observe data input without any preconception and unbiasly weigh the multiple Value sets, can we come to any sort of accurate representation of any kind of "truth". That is why this Topoi shit is tickeling me.. It does just that. MOQ does it too.
[Case] A world without bias and preconception sounds like utter hell to me. Certainly we have the ability to examine our preconceptions or to set them aside or to change them. When they become so rigid through over use that they blind us to new potential perhaps they are indeed harmful. But a world with out them would be utterly incomprehensible. [Ron] Exactly what I'm saying. We can not escape it for that is what we are but when we do not see it and Start assuming reasoning based on it it gets difficult to discern just what and where things went wrong. Fact is that however close we get to finding out if everything is an aha! Or an oops! , it is going to be shaped by preconception of some sort. [Case] Maybe you are seeing more to the topos thing than I am. The topos for dummies stuff I have looked at suggest this is a bit like non-Euclidian geometries. Given different starting assumptions we can derive different sets of logic. One of the articles I read seemed to indicate that through such a process the distributive property could be restored to quantum equations. But the cost of the restoration was the true and false could not longer be determined. Life is full of trade-offs. Still, given the choice between the distributive property and the ability to distinguish truth I will not need to flip a coin to decide. [Ron] This is why it is called a "theory" of developing theories. True and false are not accurate repesentations of objective phenomenal reality as you said things get messy. We make decisions and percieve based on a complicated system of value sets. SOM is simplified generalization , true false. I'm not giving answers here All I'm doing is drawing paralells pointing out flaw and confirming Pirsigs value as "it". Topi is taking A pragmatic MOQ approach to accurate definition of objective phenomena by not giving true or false Subject or object 1 or zero but the multiplicity of value determinism. It is just speading the error out Among a broader range of factors. It is increasing precision to further accuracy. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
