[Case] Maybe you are seeing more to the topos thing than I am. The topos for dummies stuff I have looked at suggest this is a bit like non-Euclidian geometries. Given different starting assumptions we can derive different sets of logic.
[Ron} It is, how I interpret it, based on a topography of something like fractile sets and what defines the topoi is the System of algebra it uses . I thought it was interesting how topoi structures are called "sheafs" And are described very similarly to your ideas of "branching". I think it is cool how it can relate to objective strucures as well as subjective "Moral" value decisions. Here's a good analogy of what I'm talking about with traditional physics when limited to a yes or no answer, I'm sure you know how an attorney questions a witness. The witness is not allowed to express the circumstances just a "yes or no" answer to the questioning. So Case if someone asked you the question "for 100 dollars would you stop beating your wife" you are painted guilty by the question and if you answer it in a "yes or no" you are admitting guilt of something you may or may not have done. The question has a preconcieved Pattern in it and will only yield what you want to see. Topoi theory is attmepting to look at The problem by asking how we ask questions just as much as how we percieve answers. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Case Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Heads or tails? [Ron] Only when we can observe data input without any preconception and unbiasly weigh the multiple Value sets, can we come to any sort of accurate representation of any kind of "truth". That is why this Topoi shit is tickeling me.. It does just that. MOQ does it too. [Case] A world without bias and preconception sounds like utter hell to me. Certainly we have the ability to examine our preconceptions or to set them aside or to change them. When they become so rigid through over use that they blind us to new potential perhaps they are indeed harmful. But a world with out them would be utterly incomprehensible. Maybe you are seeing more to the topos thing than I am. The topos for dummies stuff I have looked at suggest this is a bit like non-Euclidian geometries. Given different starting assumptions we can derive different sets of logic. One of the articles I read seemed to indicate that through such a process the distributive property could be restored to quantum equations. But the cost of the restoration was the true and false could not longer be determined. Life is full of trade-offs. Still, given the choice between the distributive property and the ability to distinguish truth I will not need to flip a coin to decide. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
