Hi Ian Not sure, is definition of some form implied in any indication of a 'that'?
David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Heads or tails? > Hey David, > > I'm not knocking definitions, they have pragmatc value for sure, as > well as their deadly reifying dangers. "Definition is death" is a > slogan, not my thesis. > > I was challenging Platt's assertion, and I quote > "without [defintion] we couldn't understand one another at all" > > Which is fortunately entirely untrue. > I say fortunately, because if it were true, we'd have no bootstraps. > The good news is we can communicate with all sorts of allusions and > metaphors, physical, visual and aural, learning meaning through > interaction and shared exprience, long before we find useful agreed > lingusitic conventions and definitions. Agreed ? > > Ian > > On 4/30/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Ian >> >> I see concepts and definitions as always having a double >> action. They help certain differences to step forward and be >> seen better and more easilybut therefore pushing others >> back and so obscuring them. Hence the benefits of >> being able to see experience in different ways like SOM and >> MOQ. >> >> David M >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Heads or tails? >> >> >> > Platt said >> > >> >> ... but without [definition] >> >> we couldn't understand one another at all. >> > >> > That is patently untrue. We value and understand many things by shared >> > aesthetic experience. Definition is something done with hindsight - >> > for good pragmatic simplification reasons, in context etc ... but it >> > is not at all "necessary" for understanding. >> > >> > It is "always" a compromise, a dumbing down, a devaluing, and is far >> > from necessary. >> > >> > Ian >> > moq_discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> >> moq_discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
