Quoting Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 

> Hello Platt,
> Are you arguing against the concept as a whole or the primacy of the
> indiviual vs. society?

The primacy of the individual vs. society and "collective intelligence." 

> Because certainly the individual is prime but I see a symbiotic
> relationship with the
> individual and society/government in effect a social collective which
> values the individual
> and an individual which values the social collective.

So long as the individual is valued by society as "prime," all will be
well.   

> You seem to equate
> "collective" with oppression
> Which it can mean but it can also mean social co-operation..

When the legal force of government is involved, co-operation is mere lip 
service.
So long as you add the words "voluntary" to co-operation, all will be well. 

> Individualism works best within a social body. Individualism absolute is
> every one for themselves

"Everyone for themselves" is the secret of capitalism's success in providing
the goods and services a society of free individuals want.  

> And if we're getting into "either/or" logic the two extremes are both
> oppressive would'nt you agree?

So long as we carefully define our terms and understand the true nature of
government as legalized force, all will be well. 

Thanks for asking.

Platt




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