[Ian] When you say .. [QUOTE] ... neither "individual" NOR "collective", but BOTH, as emergentist and evolutionary. ... a sentence-out-of-context should not be used to justify S/O absolutist dichtotomies. [UNQUOTE]
We share the same search for that excluded middle, lest anyone was in any doubt ;-) [Arlo] Oh c'mon, Ian. I'm a collectivist who denies anything unique about people, thinking we are all just "bees". Don't you read what I write?... ;-) I think David (Granger)... the academic in me wants to use his last name, but the nature of the list makes it seem odd... although we do say "Pirsig" and rarely "Bob"... but anyways... I hope people take the time to read that excerpt (and the entire book). Its rare to see a view of "self" articulated so well that captures the emergent/evolutionary aspect of the MOQ, and stays true to the idea that "we" are not "apart", despite what the "lone self S/Oists" keep harping. David's thesis also captures the dialogic-transformative nature of the self-as-becoming within the framework of the MOQ, as well as (what I call) the "bodily-kinesthetic"-collective consciousness interplay. Good stuff without any doubt. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
