Craig, Correct, animals are non existent without humans. The words "are" and "existent" are synonyms. With humans, they exist and are sometimes furry.
Squares are four sided because that is how we define them. Green is our definition of the color of the light spectrum reflected by grass. You are trying to define reality independent of humans, that is not possible. Reality is human. Unless there is another reality I'm unaware of, that is not defined by humans - which of course I couldn't possibly be aware of, since I'm human. Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Collective intelligence [Micah] > [Animals] are not furry - they just are. We say they're furry, that is a > human concept we place on an animal. Animals don't have the concept > "furry". That is our measurement of reality, and only we measure reality. > Furry doesn't exist without humans, nor does reality. Animals are not EXISTENT - they just are. We say they're EXISTENT, that is a human concept we place on an animal. Animals don't have the concept "EXISTENT". So squares are not 4-sided, grass isn't green, and so on because they don't have concepts. A better move for you would be that animals don't have mental attributes because they don't have mental concepts. Craig moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
