[Ham] Speed and efficacy are intellectually perceived values of process. Since becoming aware is the process of a human life, does "living faster" make life more valuable? The core of our being is value sensibility, not processed information.
[Krimel] Intellectually perceived value? What other kind is there? Does living faster make life more valuable? This is a question each must answer on their own, but life IS speeding up. Processing sensory information is what we do. It most certainly is the "core of our being". Your continuing statement that metaphysics does not depend on observable consequence raises an interesting question of relevance. Relevance is a two way street. If the real world is not relevant to your philosophy, I would suggest your philosophy is not relevant to the real world. [Ham] Does instant reaction have more value than calm cogitation? Our survival may depend on the former, but our understanding requires the latter. [Krimel] As I have tried to explain repeatedly we are collective beings. We have multiple personalities and modalities. We can adopt multiple perspectives. Sometimes it is better to sit and think. Sometimes it is essential to react quickly. We are capable of both. [Krimel]: > What good is intelligence without data? It is less important that > none of us knows all of it as that all of us know some of it. > And the more they know the more aware they are. How can > faster access to more information not produce higher levels of > knowledge and awareness? [Ham] Your point is arguable, inasmuch as there are many kinds of knowledge to be aware of. A plenitude of factual knowledge staves off ignorance, but I've seen no evidence that it has made man wiser. [Krimel] And what is wisdom? To the extent that westerners are almost all concerned these days with issues two or three levels higher on Maslow's hierarchy than ever before in history, I would say we are all considerably wiser. [Krimel]: > The dissemination of patterns may be an external process > but integration of patterns is internal. The fact that more ha > been disseminated means there is more to integrate. [Ham] In other words, the acquisition of knowledge is a vicious circle. [Krimel] Where you see a vicious cycle I see a continuing expansion of consciousness. [Ham] Experiential reality is in essence a virtual world. I see no additional value, other than entertainment, in creating an "artificial" virtual world. [Krimel] You already exist in an "artificial world". Your "real" world is almost entirely man made; at least mine is. I have to get in my car and drive for an hour to find the "real" world. [Krimel]: > If you understand why children cry > When Bambi's mother dies, > You know a truth about the human heart. > > If you understand why they watch it > Again and again, > You know another. [Ham] Nice prose. But if our compassion for life comes from watching a motion picture, is it "virtual" compassion"? Someday we may build a machine with a compassionate soul. Until then, I'll settle for the real over the virtual. [Krimel] Children play. Play is at the core of human sensibility. You write this off as mere entertainment but it is experience. We learn from it. We are shaped by it. We have developed entertainment and amusements that can trigger our emotions and teach us at deep levels of understanding. The machines we have built are extensions of our own souls. The worlds we build within them are extensions of ourselves. There are higher orders of existence emerging out of your "real" world. If you choose to ignore their significance, it is your loss. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
