At 06:53 PM 5/21/2007, SA wrote:
> [Marsha]
> > Pirsig has stated clearly that Quality cannot be
> > defined. If Quality
> > is defined as "betterness", how would you
> > explain/dismiss the following:
> > If everything is betterness, and there is nothing
> > that is not
> > betterness, then there is no meaning to betterness,
> > for there is no
> > way of distinguishing a difference between
> > betterness and nonbetterness.
>
> Without your two previous posts Marsha, in which
>you talk about water and how anything that is
>non-water is a misunderstanding I probably wouldn't
>have understood you above. When I read this above I
>think I get what your saying. It is the same as the
>question in the tiny skull [MD]. Instead of saying,
>"What is Quality?", your saying, "What is
>betterness?". This question can be answered staticly,
>but also, you might be saying that we are not to
>forget that this question still remains. So, no
>matter how much we answer, "What is betterness?", we
>still will have the question mark to handle.
>
>crickets,
>SA
SA,
Sorry if I'm confusing. To me, the MoQ is a monist,
metaphysics based on an undefined Quality. Quality is
everything. Quality is without definition, meaning or
connotation. Quality, while experienced, is beyond human
understanding. Betterness is a term with a positive connotation and
cannot equate to Quality. Betterness is a relational term. Quality
is not relational. Quality is everything, and therefore when plugged
into the water analogy it stays unchanged: having no meaning,
undefined. Betterness is a word based on comparison. A monistic
Quality doesn't allow for comparison. And a betterness, which is
based on comparison, cannot be monistic. A relational term like
betterness becomes absurd when placed in the water analogy.
Another way to look at Quality is to see it as representing ALL
values which would equate to NO value. (Does this make sense?)
Of course, while considering the MOQ within a 3rd or 4th
level, comparison is inevitable. But not in a MOQ reality. The two
shouldn't be confused.
Mu, or as Hathor might put it, moo.
Marsha
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