> Hi SA 
> 
> I think my disagreement is with the notion of "creation", I 
> dont see evidence to show that one arises from the other, for 
> me there is just a pattern. Intellect may "cause" society as 
> much as society "causes" intellect. Remove this cause and 
> effect assumption from the realtionship and the need for 
> lines meelts away. They are convenient but arbitrary.
> My concept of static patterns being created out of a dynamic 
> source is an instantaneous one where patterns are constantly 
> refreshed and renewed - its not as a factor of time. The 
> process of evolution in the material sense can it's-self be 
> regarded as a static pattern. Afterall natural selection 
> obeys well defined rules and there are now genetic algorythms 
> used in engineering that successfuly mimic evolutionary 
> development - hardly an undefinable dynamic force. 
> 
> 
> 
> Commuter walked and the driver swore at him.
> Pollution was very high.
> 
> Jos
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Heather Perella
> > Sent: 23 May 2007 17:38
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Animals and Dynamic Quality - going out on a limb
> > 
> > 
> > Jos,
> > 
> > 
> >       I'm finding it difficult to know specifically
> > where we disagree.  We both are writing long proses,
> > and we both are not pin-pointing comparisons to show
> > where we disagree.
> >      If I'm understanding you, then are you saying
> > dynamic quality is all of this?  Yet, when certain
> > patterns coalesce, then a wave with another wave is
> > now an a beach front?
> >      What I'm saying is intellectual level happens
> > when social level reaches an event, dynamically, that
> > the intellectual level is created.  Where to draw the
> > line, as you point out, is the question, and a
> > question that I can't answer, but try to, but can't. 
> > Thus, try to, but can't, well to me, that's the same
> > as saying, "What is Quality?"  We can answer this
> > question, to find that this question still stands. 
> > Respectfully, answer=static, question=dynamic.
> > 
> > fish swam and rocked the canoe,
> >      the lake water was very low.
> > SA
> > 
> > 
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