Morning SA The bit about the leaves is spot on. Sadly must work a little harder today, will pick up more next week.
SA: > chipmunk goes back and forth from one side of the > house to the other, getting bird-seed stored in the > cheeks and jogging back to his/her hole in the earth > by the garden, > SA > The managemnt consultant goes from one side of the department to the other, absorbing half the budget stored in swolen pockets and jogging back to his/her hole in the earth. Jos > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Heather Perella > Sent: 24 May 2007 18:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Animals and Dynamic Quality - going out on a limb > > > > [Jos] > > > > I think my disagreement is with the notion of > > > "creation", I > > > > dont see evidence to show that one arises from > > the > > > other, for > > > > me there is just a pattern. > > You might be correct. Without going into any of > Pirsig's reading material to use as a reference on > this point, 'evidence' would be a static pattern. The > 'creation' is dynamic. I mean, there is social and > intellectual. One or the other (aside from the other > levels). So, to see one arising from the other would > be dynamic, thus, undefinable. Social and then > intellectual, clear-cut distinction, as you say, > "...there is just a pattern." Now what of this > 'creation', where social is in place, and then > evolution points out intellectual level is able to > happen on this foundation of social. There is no > biological and then evolution jumps to intellectual > level. Social level is in-between. Yet, intellect > doesn't 'arise' from social. Intellect 'arises' from > dynamic quality. Social level 'arises' from dynamic > quality. Biological level 'arises' from dynamic > quality, etc... So, the 'arisings' are undefinable > (dq). That's about as far as I understand this as we > speak. > > > [Jos] > > > Intellect may "cause" society as > > > > much as society "causes" intellect. Remove this > > > cause and effect assumption from the realtionship > > and the > > > need for lines meelts away. They are convenient > > but > > > arbitrary. > > Intellect feeds into society, and society feeds > into intellect, but as for the 'ultimate causing of > one another', well, isn't that NOT a static pattern, > but instead dynamic quality. > > [Jos] > > > My concept of static patterns being created out of > > > a dynamic source is an instantaneous one where > > patterns are > > > constantly refreshed and renewed - its not as a > > factor of > > > time. > > Interesting... for instance, I'll mention > something so seemingly simple. The leaves on a tree > are still. The wind blows and the leaves move. The > static patterns of leaves, aside from their metabolic > processes and cellular regeneration, but the leaves > amidst a larger picture where wind is involved are > leaves that are changing in view. They were still and > then moving about with the wind. That whole event, of > leaves and wind, is a static pattern "...constantly > refreshed and renewed..." I see this as a painting. > The leaves are still - one painting. The leaves move > here - another painting. The leaves move over there - > another painting. Each painting is a static pattern. > So, for each static pattern another painting, a > renewed view: code of art. > As to this factor of time, I'm not sure what you > mean, but since it doesn't have to do with time, then > that might be why I don't know what you mean. > By the way, what I mention with the leaves and > wind, does this come close to what your saying? > > > [Jos] > > > The process of evolution in the material sense can > > > it's-self be regarded as a static pattern. > > Afterall > > natural > > > selection obeys well defined rules and there are > > now > > genetic > > > algorythms used in engineering that successfuly > > mimic > > > evolutionary development - hardly an undefinable > > dynamic force. > > I agree. What you say here is a static pattern. > Dynamic quality alludes me. Is all of this a static > pattern? Natural history is an excellent show of how > dynamic quality is involved. Before monkey's these > lemurs, but before lemurs (which were lastly in Africa > and now only hold out in Madagascar and I believe > somewhere in Asia or an island in the Pacific, I'll > have to look that up, anyways...) these squirrelly > creatures. Yes, it is static patterns appearing, and > all we see are these static patterns, but what of > these unknowns such as death and birth or a garden. > How will this garden of mine pan out at harvest time? > Yes, static patterns are the answer, but dynamic > quality is the question. > > [Jos] > > > > Commuter walked and the driver swore at him. > > > > Pollution was very high. > > > chipmunk goes back and forth from one side of the > house to the other, getting bird-seed stored in the > cheeks and jogging back to his/her hole in the earth > by the garden, > SA > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! 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