[Jos]
> The bit about the leaves is spot on.
> Sadly must work a little harder today, will pick up
> more next week.
ok
> SA:
> > chipmunk goes back and forth from one side of the
> > house to the other, getting bird-seed stored in
> the cheeks and jogging back to his/her hole in the
> earth by the garden,
[Jos]
> The managemnt consultant goes from one side of the
> department to the other, absorbing half the budget
> stored in swolen pockets and jogging back to his/her
> hole in the earth.
HAAAAAAAAA, funny!!!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Heather Perella
> > Sent: 24 May 2007 18:25
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Animals and Dynamic Quality -
> going out on a limb
> >
> >
> >
> > [Jos]
> > > > > I think my disagreement is with the notion
> of
> > > > "creation", I
> > > > > dont see evidence to show that one arises
> from
> > > the
> > > > other, for
> > > > > me there is just a pattern.
> >
> > You might be correct. Without going into
> any of
> > Pirsig's reading material to use as a reference on
> > this point, 'evidence' would be a static pattern.
> The
> > 'creation' is dynamic. I mean, there is social
> and
> > intellectual. One or the other (aside from the
> other
> > levels). So, to see one arising from the other
> would
> > be dynamic, thus, undefinable. Social and then
> > intellectual, clear-cut distinction, as you say,
> > "...there is just a pattern." Now what of this
> > 'creation', where social is in place, and then
> > evolution points out intellectual level is able to
> > happen on this foundation of social. There is no
> > biological and then evolution jumps to
> intellectual
> > level. Social level is in-between. Yet,
> intellect
> > doesn't 'arise' from social. Intellect 'arises'
> from
> > dynamic quality. Social level 'arises' from
> dynamic
> > quality. Biological level 'arises' from dynamic
> > quality, etc... So, the 'arisings' are
> undefinable
> > (dq). That's about as far as I understand this as
> we
> > speak.
> >
> >
> > [Jos]
> > > > Intellect may "cause" society as
> > > > > much as society "causes" intellect. Remove
> this
> > > > cause and effect assumption from the
> realtionship
> > > and the
> > > > need for lines meelts away. They are
> convenient
> > > but
> > > > arbitrary.
> >
> > Intellect feeds into society, and society
> feeds
> > into intellect, but as for the 'ultimate causing
> of
> > one another', well, isn't that NOT a static
> pattern,
> > but instead dynamic quality.
> >
> > [Jos]
> > > > My concept of static patterns being created
> out of
> > > > a dynamic source is an instantaneous one where
> > > patterns are
> > > > constantly refreshed and renewed - its not as
> a
> > > factor of
> > > > time.
> >
> > Interesting... for instance, I'll mention
> > something so seemingly simple. The leaves on a
> tree
> > are still. The wind blows and the leaves move.
> The
> > static patterns of leaves, aside from their
> metabolic
> > processes and cellular regeneration, but the
> leaves
> > amidst a larger picture where wind is involved are
> > leaves that are changing in view. They were still
> and
> > then moving about with the wind. That whole
> event, of
> > leaves and wind, is a static pattern
> "...constantly
> > refreshed and renewed..." I see this as a
> painting.
> > The leaves are still - one painting. The leaves
> move
> > here - another painting. The leaves move over
> there -
> > another painting. Each painting is a static
> pattern.
> > So, for each static pattern another painting, a
> > renewed view: code of art.
> > As to this factor of time, I'm not sure what
> you
> > mean, but since it doesn't have to do with time,
> then
> > that might be why I don't know what you mean.
> > By the way, what I mention with the leaves
> and
> > wind, does this come close to what your saying?
> >
> >
> > [Jos]
> > > > The process of evolution in the material sense
> can
> > > > it's-self be regarded as a static pattern.
> > > Afterall
> > > natural
> > > > selection obeys well defined rules and there
> are
> > > now
> > > genetic
> > > > algorythms used in engineering that
> successfuly
> > > mimic
> > > > evolutionary development - hardly an
> undefinable
> > > dynamic force.
> >
> > I agree. What you say here is a static
> pattern.
> > Dynamic quality alludes me. Is all of this a
> static
> > pattern? Natural history is an excellent show of
> how
> > dynamic quality is involved. Before monkey's
> these
> > lemurs, but before lemurs (which were lastly in
> Africa
> > and now only hold out in Madagascar and I believe
> > somewhere in Asia or an island in the Pacific,
> I'll
> > have to look that up, anyways...) these squirrelly
> > creatures. Yes, it is static patterns appearing,
> and
> > all we see are these static patterns, but what of
> > these unknowns such as death and birth or a
> garden.
> > How will this garden of mine pan out at harvest
> time?
> > Yes, static patterns are the answer, but dynamic
> > quality is the question.
> >
> > [Jos]
> > > > > Commuter walked and the driver swore at him.
> > > > > Pollution was very high.
> >
> >
> > chipmunk goes back and forth from one side of the
> > house to the other, getting bird-seed stored in
> the
> > cheeks and jogging back to his/her hole in the
> earth
> > by the garden,
> > SA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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