At 05:22 PM 6/2/2007, SA wrote: >Comments as I go: > > > > [Marsha] > > I wonder how you could alter this? Ham's thesis > > was interesting (ignoring the creationist stuff), >but probably > > meditation is the best process. > > Why do you say meditation is the best process?
I knew then, but don't know now. Been painting. That clears my mind: fur, fringe & feathers. There is this wonderful cd of traditional Native-American songs. Both the holy man and I dance. We heal. > > > [Ron] > > Marsha, > > I have struggled with this for a long time. The > > brain is a strange thing. > > So, is dirt. I'm serious you know. I like dirt. It feels real. > [Ron] > > I meditate, and I am aware of the dichotomy of >perception and > > try to be aware that good lies in the bad > > Your just in your head here. "I... try to be >aware." Why do you try to be aware of this and not >the air? > > [Ron] > > that opposites imply wholeness. > > yes, but the wind is blowing... the stomach is >hungry... > > [Ron] > > It is the gut level, heat of the moment > > experiences that take the most concentration and are >the most > > difficult. > > Yes, by gut level might you mean direct >experience, what is happening now (the wind is >blowing, etc...) As to difficultly in doing this, >that's the whole practice. Practice >being-alert/attentive. As to being attentive to what, >well, where are you? > > [Ron] > > Knowing these things I should not experience anger, >depression and > > anxiety but I do... > > Why shouldn't you experience anger, etc...? I >can be happy and another depressed. Should I not have >empathy, and thus not experience their sadness? How >do I rid not only my sadness, but others sadness? >Well, to not be alert and experiencing to my full >potential, that would put me in a position not to help >at all, for now, I'm the one that needs help. Yet, I >still feel sadness and anger at times. Can I remain >attentive and not lose concentration? Hopefully, and >then I'll be able to see my way out of this mess, at >least for now. > > [Ron] > > I think the biggest lesson > > I've learned through it is that these emotions are > > every bit as viable and meaningfull > > as the positive emotions and trying to quell them is > > to deny a meaningful experience. > > true, so true > > [Ron] > > It takes courage to live a honost life, good and > > bad is in me not the world, > > I still think I'm in this world. > > [Ron] > > to avoid the bad and adhere to the good is living >half a > > life. So, to answer your question > > of how to alter this perception I think having the > > courage to accept and be open > > to all experience, warts and all, is the best way to > > overcome this, but that's my opinion. > > Easier said than done. So, what to do? Oh, what >a nice cool breeze blowing through the back door. >Courage helps, but if you can't see what's happening >right now in front of your face (and I in front of >mine) then I might as well create my own universe and >live in it and forget about this one, hmmm, now how >can I get trees to plant here. > > > [Ron] > > This is my course with my tiny skull, to remain > > open in happiness and pain, and allow myself to >feel. > > > Oh, this tiny skull of mine. I'm such a big >oollff. Realizing what I already realized, to realize >again, that I've realized this already, to realize >that this is the true realization, but this tiny skull >of mine thinks. "Oh, but what about this." and then I >realize again that I keep realizing what I've been >realizing all along, but then I, "Oh, you big oollff," >I say to myself. > > >shade in the maples, >SA SA, Ron, do you dance? Marsha moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
