> [Krimel] > How would you measure depth? Most of the scientists, philosophers, > theologians who ever lived are working today. There are most doctors, > teachers and students. Would you say the shear number of them and their > proportions in the population at large are factors? How able the > percentage of people operating at the various levels of Maslow's hierarchy
> of need? Or the percentage who or literate or the average number of hours > per week available to pursue depth? > > Are these just gimmicks? > > Cell phones? Can anyone forget the recorded calls of victims saying their > goodbyes from the World Trade Center or those hijacked planes? We and > anyone living henceforth can share identical memories of those voices. > Doesn't something in that count for depth? > > Wiki? How many times has Wiki been cited on this forum? Most of us rely on > it instantly to provide information about everything from global warming > to the Ramones. Don't you think that your use of it has increased the > depth of your understanding and expanded your consciousness? > > Mp3 and video compression allow you listen to or watch everything from the > BBC's In Our Time to the programming on Wilber's Integral Naked site. > Surely this is only further evidence that I do not understand the problem > but even if you factor in pay-per-view webcams and off shore virtual > casinos the range of options represented is more than simply horizontal. > > There has never been the promise of increased depth either from spiritual > practice or academic discipline or shear hedonism. But writing, printing > and now all of these "gimmicks" have made the acquisition of depth easier > and therefore more probable. > > But I could be wrong. How would you measure depth; even enough to say it > isn't there? [Platt] Try this: "PRINCETON, NJ -- 18 December 2002 -- Contemporary college seniors scored on average little or no higher than the high-school graduates of a half-century ago on a battery of 15 questions assessing general cultural knowledge. The questions, drawn from a survey originally done by the Gallup Organization in 1955, covered literature, music, science, geography, and history. They were asked again of a random sample of American college and university students by Zogby International in April 2002. The Zogby survey was commissioned by the National Association of scholars." [Krimel] So you would suggest scores on standardized tests as a measure? That might be a good start. Are there others measurements? I am also curious about how you think some the examples above have affected you personally. Have they enhanced the depth and breath of your personal experience or left them unchanged? moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
