Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > [Krimel] > > > So you would suggest scores on standardized tests as a measure? That > > > might be a good start. Are there others measurements? > > > > [Platt] > > I would stick with measures of assessing general knowledge, not > > standardized tests which have been dumbed down over the years to > > accomodate the general deterioration in public education. The viability of > > > a democracy depends on an educated citizenry. I fear for the future. > > > > [Krimel] > > All I am asking is: what is it you want to measure and how would you > > measure it. > > And I answered it. > > > > > [Krimel] > > > I am also curious about how you think some the examples above have > > > affected you personally. Have they enhanced the depth and breath of your > > > > personal experience or left them unchanged? > > > > [Platt] > > Cell phone - don't own one. > > Wiki - more convenient than Encyclopedia Britannica, but no greater depth. > > MP3 - don't use. Videos - none enlightening that I can recall. > > But a book like Lila? Now that's a truly deep experience. :-) > > > > [Krimel] > > I am hard pressed to know what to make of this. You are saying you > > personally were unmoved of the 911 victim's cries for help and tearful > > last goodbyes. > > Unmoved? What does an emotional response have to be with expanded > consciousness? > > > Your consciousness was unaffected by the photo of the American > > flag being raise on Iwo Jima or the statue of Sadam Hussein being toppled > > or the Apollo photos of the earth rising over the barren lunar landscape. > > Television images of the Zapruder footage of the Kennedy assassination or > > the televised testimony at the Watergate hearings, Clinton's testimony > > during his impeachment, the Rodney King beating or the Trade Towers, > > collapsing had no effect on your consciousness? > > All emotional. Has nothing to do with expanded consciousness. Emotions > are rooted in the biological level, not the intellectual. > > > Living near a coastal area your awareness is unaffected by television > > broadcasts of incoming storms pictured through satellite and radar > > imaging.You really think paging through a two year old edition of > > Britannica can give you information as current and far reaching or as > > quickly as wiki. > > Britannica is on the web in case you haven't noticed. Anyway, the > availability of current and far reaching information has nothing to do with > expanded consciousness, as tests of general knowledge so vividly illustrate. > > > None of this has affected the depth of your understanding and awareness of > > the world around you? > > Mo. Much of the data (news) is bogus and over-hyped. > > > I don't really want to think you are lying, disingenuous or simply that > > dense. But if you say so, I am not surprised that you can neither define > > "depth" nor suggest a way to assess it. Perhaps you have merely > > misunderstood the question. Please tell me the later is the case. > > [Platt] > Typically if I disagree with your particular views you resort to smears, > both overt and implied. Oh well . . . > > [Krimel] > So you are saying you did understand the question? > > But let's review: depth has nothing to do with emotion. It has nothing to do > with increased awareness. And it can only be measured by Zogby and Gallup > polls of general knowledge.
Your review is false. I didn't limit measurement of depth to Zogby and Gallup polls. > But in the study you cited only 50 years had passed and nearly 30% of the 15 > questions had to be thrown out or interpreted in terms of cultural shifts. > > To all of the causes of increased awareness and depth of consciousness I > have already had throw out of court, let me add the ability to collect and > analyze information of this kind. I thought you were against "causes," relying instead on "probabilities." > I also notice that in the actual report in the first paragraph is says: > > "Between 1947 and 1995 the number of high school graduates entering college > (including community college) rose from 2,338,2261 to 14,261, 8002-a rate of > growth three times faster than that of the population." > > Would you say that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand? Sure. College enrollments are irrelevant to depth of consciousness. The drop out rate has probably increased in a similar way. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
